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Saddam's Man Takes Over In Fallujah
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 5-1-2004 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 04/30/2004 7:29:41 PM PDT by blam

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To: WOSG
what the Generals (Kimmitt, Conway, Abizaid) say is that they fully approve of this 'opportunity' to use Iraqis in Fallujah

Seriously. How long do you think the above would be Generals if they made a public statement that said, this is GW's, Rumsfield's, or Powell's decision not ours because we don't approve or agree with it.

141 posted on 05/01/2004 3:00:59 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck
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To: Rokke
"And despite several direct quotes from DoD officials directly attributing the Marine decisions in Fallujah to Marines"

Please, you virtually admitted in your last post that you couldn’t find a specific quote by giving up looking for it and claiming that it was my responsibility to prove what’s apparent to the majority. So now you’ve disintegrated into being overtly dishonest (backtracking to pretend that those quotes are specific and relevant to my claim, after I took the time to demonstrate that they weren't)

Life’s too short for this childishness. Write to someone else. I won’t read it. Regards.

142 posted on 05/01/2004 3:28:06 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: WOSG
"That is a cool form of argument: Argument-by-declaring-your-conclusion-obvious. Hmmm, I'll try that next time I'm backed into a corner. :-) "

It’s the privilege of the majority. [smile] If no further information about this comes out, I’m confident that my opinion will prevail. It’s the force behind the old adage, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof”.

As Mississippi red-neck says, it’s rare that officers speak out publicly against the chain of command, at least not immediately. I could turn it around and say with all the criticism of the politics, I’d expect an official statement that the Marines made the decision themselves to back out of Fallujah if it were true.

I’m thoroughly unconvinced by your explanation, and I don’t expect either of us to come to an agreement until more information trickles out. I think we’ve spent enough time working on each other. Time will certainly tell who was behind it.

143 posted on 05/01/2004 3:44:21 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2
"you virtually admitted in your last post that you couldn’t find a specific quote"

You're right. I found at least five. They are as follows...

1. "The top Marine commander in Iraq has chosen to assemble what amounts to a Sunni Muslim militia"
2. "Under an agreement worked out by marine commanders in Fallujah...."
3. "DiRita said marine commanders had "a lot of authority to make decisions, and they're doing that, and they've developed this force."
4. That may explain why senior Pentagon officials appeared to have been in the dark about the agreement on Thursday when it was first announced in Fallujah by marine officers."
5. "General John Abizaid, the head of the US Central Command, told reporters earlier Friday he did not know the Iraqi general who was leading the force."

But hey, don't let the facts stand in your way. You've got an unsupported theory to defend.

144 posted on 05/01/2004 5:14:44 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
Only a loser and nut case would compose a long reply to someone who said they won’t read their posts. Can you spell obsessive compulsive?

Not going to waste time with reading flames from frustrated slow children.
145 posted on 05/01/2004 5:53:37 PM PDT by elfman2
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To: elfman2; Rokke
Cut Rokke some slack, will ya? He knows stuff that we don't.

He was there for the festivities last year, and last time I checked, still wore a uniform.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

146 posted on 05/01/2004 5:58:31 PM PDT by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "John Kerry: all John F., no Kennedy..." Click on my pic!)
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To: elfman2
Who are you? The elfman2 I responded to vowed he wouldn't read my response.
147 posted on 05/01/2004 6:04:06 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: elfman2
"If no further information about this comes out, I’m confident that my opinion will prevail. "

Inside skinny details on who decided what will require a Woodward book. :-)

The further information we'll see soon will be whether the fallujah brigade approach works. Success has many fathers and failure is an orphan. And whether it actually works or not is the real issue, not who decided this was the best of the choices to take.


"I think we’ve spent enough time working on each other."
okay, I'll release my double-nelson chokehold and call it a draw. :-)
148 posted on 05/01/2004 6:28:06 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
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To: Azzurri
My guess is most of these 1,000 troops will eventually side with the insurgents.

My guess is that most of these guys were already insurgents. Now we have them in uniform and know where they are.

149 posted on 05/01/2004 6:30:44 PM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: WOSG
"Inside skinny details on who decided what will require a Woodward book. :-) "

Or just one frank comment.

"okay, I'll release my double-nelson chokehold and call it a draw. :-)"

Thank God. I could hardly breathe... from laughter. [smile]

We'll see my friend...

150 posted on 05/01/2004 7:02:28 PM PDT by elfman2
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