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Too much skin showing at school?
Chicago Daily Herald ^ | April 28, 2004

Posted on 04/30/2004 11:00:07 AM PDT by presidio9

Malena Schroeder is fed up.

She's fed up with high school students wearing visible thong underwear, blue jeans that droop low on the hips or skimpy blouses that show - in her opinion - too much skin.

A Mundelein High School District 120 board member who also regularly volunteers at the school, Schroeder doesn't consider herself prudish. But she's tired of walking through the school hallways and seeing provocatively dressed kids who look like they popped out of a racy music video.

"If I'm an adult and I'm distracted, I can only imagine what effect it might have on teenagers in that environment," she said.

During a board meeting earlier this week, Schroeder called for administrators to more stringently enforce the facility's dress code or adopt stricter rules that could include uniforms. She received support from other trustees and from audience members who applauded her request.

The proposal also was backed by Superintendent Stan Fields, who promised a committee will study the issue.

"There's something to be said for preparing students for life after high school and (teaching) appropriate grooming habits and dress habits," Fields said. "It's pretty difficult to get a job when your rear end is hanging out."

Mundelein isn't the only suburban high school wrestling with dress-code concerns. Wauconda High School and the other schools in Wauconda Unit District 118 tightened clothing policies for the 2003-04 term, banning belly-baring tops, low-rise pants and other revealing garments.

Similar rules have been adopted in recent years at high schools in Buffalo Grove, Naperville, St. Charles and other towns.

Public-school dress codes, including those requiring students wear uniforms, are legal under Illinois and federal laws. Although courts have ruled garments with political slogans are protected by the First Amendment, educators can restrict the size or style of student clothing.

"You have the right to free expression. You probably don't have the right to show off your belly ring," said Ed Yohnka, spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) of Illinois.

Mundelein High updated its dress code in 2002. Among the restrictions is a rule requiring clothes cover all skin and underwear between the armpit and mid-thigh.

Violators can be asked to change into more appropriate clothes or wear a baggy Mundelein High T-shirt over offending garments, school spokeswoman Kelley Happ said. On "rare occasions," she said, some are sent home.

Schroeder, who has two teenagers enrolled at Mundelein, believes those rules aren't properly enforced. Too many times she's seen students with pants that don't cover their underwear or whose shirts reveal skin at the midriff.

"It's become the norm," she said. "There's a time and a place for that kind of dress. It shouldn't be school attire."

If parents can't control what their kids wear, Schroeder said, school administrators or the board must step in and make sure teens are dressed appropriately. If that means stronger enforcement of the existing dress code or the adoption of uniforms, she said, so be it.

"It's our responsibility to make sure that our kids can focus and have some decorum," Schroeder said.

Mundelein High junior Stephanie Urban thinks officials who want to crack down on dress-code abuses are overreacting. Students dress better than they used to, she said.

Jessy Wisniewski, another junior, likes to wear shorts or skirts to school and said she has been sent home for sporting clothes considered too risque.

"I'm 16. I can legally drive. But people are going to tell me (what's) appropriate for school?" she said. "I mean, I'm not coming to school dressed in a bikini."

Students who oppose uniforms may have a surprising ally: board President Thomas M.P. Hannigan, who thinks better enforcement of the existing code is the answer.

"My high school had a uniform. My grammar school had a uniform. And I don't think I learned any better because of that," Hannigan said. "I think we have a reasonable dress code. Before the school board jumps in and makes changes, let's see how an enforced dress code works."

Dress: Board president doesn't back uniforms


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To: presidio9
That's alot of butt floss.
41 posted on 04/30/2004 11:36:22 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: presidio9
We had these weird things called "Dress Codes" when I was in school.

I guess formulating and enforcing one of those is beyond comprehension.
42 posted on 04/30/2004 11:38:20 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: gathersnomoss
Well, it's a lot of butt to floss....
43 posted on 04/30/2004 11:40:45 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Inspectorette
Try working in a convenience store when one of those 250#+ teenage females comes in, thong showing, while getting their breakfast of nachos and Pepsi or Coke. Then, there is the added bonus of being unlucky enough to have one of them bend over in front of you.

As Al Bundy used to holler: "My Eyes, My eyes!!"
44 posted on 04/30/2004 11:41:24 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Koffi: 0, G.W. Bush: (I lost count))
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To: presidio9
I don't understand how showing off your love handles with these hip hugging pants is sexy? The hip huggers are so tight, that even women who don't have love handles, appear to have them.
45 posted on 04/30/2004 11:43:23 AM PDT by lormand (Dead people vote DemocRAT)
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To: mvpel
Alright, everyone out of the pool. Everyone except you Woody.
46 posted on 04/30/2004 11:44:01 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Huck
Yes, it's amazing to see 14-year-old girls wearing clothing that a few years ago were the exclusive domain of prostitutes. The fashion moguls who push these styles are truly demented.
47 posted on 04/30/2004 11:44:49 AM PDT by thoughtomator (yesterday Kabul, today Baghdad, tomorrow Damascus)
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To: presidio9
The answer is... school uniform! Of course, it should be up to each school's board to decide upon the characertistic's of its uniform. Antother feasible solution is to implement a dress code.
48 posted on 04/30/2004 11:44:51 AM PDT by Bismarck
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To: CatoRenasci
I guess I'll be movin' to Montana soon.
49 posted on 04/30/2004 11:45:36 AM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: Agnes Heep
My daughter just turned 13. Of course, that means she now knows everything.

I always tell her: "Nothing in the universe is less important than the opinions of a teenager."
50 posted on 04/30/2004 11:45:37 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: presidio9
"THe problem with mini-skirts is that they kept causing me to drop my pencil..."

LOL!

The mirror on the shoe was too obvious?

I was shopping for clothes with my daughter at walmart and they had short shorts for what looked to fit 8 year olds. Pissed me off big time.

My town is conservative , they were on clearance and still not being bought.(thank goodness)

51 posted on 04/30/2004 11:45:39 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Hobsonphile; Huck
Last weekend I took my 6yo girl to see the Clifford movie (which happened to be playing at the mall). I witnessed a mom/kid battle in the restroom. The girl looked to be 11-12 range, and was washing her hands. Mom suddenly pulled up the girls pants, pulled down her shirt, and said the clothes would be gone if she didn't wear them the right way. (yeah Mom!!). Saw assorted young women looking like baby hookers. (My kids will never go to the mall to hang out). The worst was an adult women, who had her belly hanging out (don't know if she was pregnant or just had a gut). Her face looked too old for the clothes and she looked really ridiculous. IMO, if only the parents would grow up, the kids wouldn't be looking so trashy on such a large scale.
52 posted on 04/30/2004 11:48:14 AM PDT by Annie03 (donate at www.terrisfight.org)
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To: lormand
I'm with you. I see girls, pretty girls, not overweight at all, squished into these tiny-hipped pants that make their cute round tushies look all squished and flat. It's like taping their boobs for pete's sake. It's a crime.
53 posted on 04/30/2004 11:49:13 AM PDT by johnb838 ("I really don't care; they're all gonna die," US Marine in Fallujah)
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To: Skooz
I guess formulating and enforcing one of those is beyond comprehension.

I guess the enforcement part is the difficult part. In the 70's I once had to tell a young female sudent that she needed to come to school in a dress that was at least long enough to sit on. I threatened to send her home if she did not comply. (I told her she was distracting me - No doubt today I would have been brought up on charges) But back then I got away with it, she did not mean to get in trouble, she only wanted to draw some attention to herself. I did not do this in front of the whole class, I waited till class was over and told her privately as she left the room. (It worked.)

54 posted on 04/30/2004 11:49:48 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: presidio9
"My high school had a uniform. My grammar school had a uniform. And I don't think I learned any better because of that," Hannigan said. "I think we have a reasonable dress code. Before the school board jumps in and makes changes, let's see how an enforced dress code works."

This dufus doesn't get it - what you wear is not intended to make you learn "better" but to allow you learn in an environment that is healthier and not distracting. Adherance to a dress code is a way to instill discipline not only in the kids but also the parents.

55 posted on 04/30/2004 11:50:41 AM PDT by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: biblewonk; Agnes Heep
This almost sounds biblical ...
Three things that are useless, four that are without value ...
56 posted on 04/30/2004 11:50:51 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: presidio9
When I was in high school, in the pre-Hippie early '60s, we had dress codes: girls dresses/skirts could not be more than 3 inches above the middle of the knee, no jeans for girls (but slacks OK), only Bermuda shorts (in August-September and May-June), no tight sweaters, no see-through blouses, strapless dresses, no spaghetti straps, etc. etc.

It all changed between 1966 and 1970 -- where we were in Northern Calfiornia -- as girls became "weekend hippie flower children", going braless (and pantiless) to San Francisco in very short shift dresses, low rider jeans and showing lots of belly. In all honesty, I'm not so sure what we see now is a whole lot different, except for the tatoos and piercings, from what you saw in Haight Ashbury in San Francisco in the Summer of 1967.

57 posted on 04/30/2004 11:51:26 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Skooz
I always tell her: "Nothing in the universe is less important than the opinions of a teenager."

And if she has any doubt, just let her ask any former teenager!

58 posted on 04/30/2004 11:51:43 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
lol "Mr. Freedom! Well, I NEVER!"
59 posted on 04/30/2004 11:52:13 AM PDT by johnb838 ("I really don't care; they're all gonna die," US Marine in Fallujah)
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To: gathersnomoss
I guess I'll be movin' to Montana soon.

Just watch out where those huskies go and

don't eat no yellow snow.

60 posted on 04/30/2004 11:52:40 AM PDT by bankwalker (Washington needs an enema.)
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