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What the President Might Say:It is about more than just Fallujah.
National Review ^
| April 30, 2004, 8:33 a.m
| Victor Davis Hanson
Posted on 04/30/2004 7:08:12 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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posted on
04/30/2004 7:08:13 AM PDT
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Eurotwit
To: MEG33
VDH ping.
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posted on
04/30/2004 7:08:41 AM PDT
by
Eurotwit
To: Eurotwit
Now, that's a superb article ! Blimey, it is almost an adress to the world ! Who is this Hanson fellow ?
To: Atlantic Friend
Hanson is a Woodrow Wilson fan who believes that the U.S. should bring democracy to every nook and cranny of the planet. It is because we followed his advice that we are now mired in the Iraqi sinkhole.
To: Atlantic Friend
Hanson is a Woodrow Wilson fan who believes that the U.S. should bring democracy to every nook and cranny of the planet. It is because we followed his advice that we are now mired in the Iraqi sinkhole.
To: Atlantic Friend
Hanson is an Americon writer,professor in California,author of several books and an American treasure.
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posted on
04/30/2004 7:31:23 AM PDT
by
MEG33
(John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
To: Atlantic Friend
Captain Kirk doesn't like VDH much :-)
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posted on
04/30/2004 7:33:19 AM PDT
by
Eurotwit
To: Eurotwit
That's too bad - well, he has his reasons. Me, I was quite taken aback by the clarity of Hanson's adress.
To: Captain Kirk
But if our economy is to remain strong as it must to provide for our soldiers in battle then Congress must accept compromises on both spending and taxation. We can neither spend nor tax our way out of our present difficulty, so let us agree that no Democrat shall propose another dollar of spending without providing for an addition dollar of revenue; no Republican shall cut another dollar of taxes without guarantees of a like reduction in spendingI guess Victor must have somehow missed the latest $450 billion and growing healthcare 'plan' (read waste) passed by a Republican Congress and signed by a Republican President
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posted on
04/30/2004 7:37:51 AM PDT
by
billbears
(Deo Vindice.)
To: nuconvert
PING!
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posted on
04/30/2004 7:43:12 AM PDT
by
F14 Pilot
(John ''Fedayeen" Kerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
To: Eurotwit
Americans believe that freedom and consensual government far from being the exclusive domain of the West are ideals central to the human condition and the shared aspirations of all born into this world.I have a lot of admiration for VDH. However, I'd like to respectfully disagree with this sentence. If anyone feels I'm right or wrong I'd love to know what you think.
I think we believe something darker than what he's writtern. We believe that the natural aspirations of all men born into the world is to dominate his surroundings -- including other people, food, treasure, and anything else around him. But since this produces a state of perpetual war, poverty and chaos, people can eventually learn over time to settle for something less than their real aspiration -- they learn that liberty for all is a better ideal. The dark drive to dominate can then be turned in peaceful and useful directions -- into sport, science, business, art, etc.
I hope I'm not belaboring the point -- it just seems to me that freedom and consensual government are emphatically not natural at all, and we shouldn't be surprised if other cultures don't accept these ideals right away. It takes time and work and education, and even then there is no guarantee of success.
So when we see the worst kind of barbarism around us (in Iraq, Haiti, N. Korea, Africa, etc, etc) we shouldn't be surprised or think it's unnatural. And we shouldn't think it will be easy to change.
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posted on
04/30/2004 7:44:21 AM PDT
by
68skylark
(.)
To: 68skylark
I agree with you, and I couldn't have said it half as well.
To: Captain Kirk
It is because we followed his advice that we are now mired in the Iraqi sinkhole.Has anyone else noticed no one even jokingly uses the word "quagmire" around here anymore?
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posted on
04/30/2004 7:53:50 AM PDT
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lewislynn
(Who made you, the casual observer, the expert?)
To: lewislynn
The U.S. Congress is a quagmire...
To: Dog Anchor
The U.S. Congress is a quagmire...I know the Republican Congress is a quagmire, but we need to continue to vote for the one that's electable then change the party from within...GAG!
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posted on
04/30/2004 8:36:10 AM PDT
by
lewislynn
(Who made you, the casual observer, the expert?)
To: Eurotwit; seamole; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ...
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posted on
04/30/2004 10:09:22 AM PDT
by
Tolik
To: Tolik
Bump for later.
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posted on
04/30/2004 10:17:37 AM PDT
by
Valin
(Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
To: lewislynn
Yet, is quite interesting. Remember all the quagmire alerts? I guess that that it is "so funny" anymore.
To: Eurotwit
I previously nominated VDH for Secretary of State. If that's not available, I nominate him for Presidential Speechwriter.
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posted on
04/30/2004 3:40:24 PM PDT
by
AZLiberty
(Of course, you realize this means war! -- Bugs Bunny, borrowing from Groucho Marx)
To: AZLiberty
The movie version will be:
Dr. Hanson Goes to Washington
and VDH will be played by Jim Caviezel.
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posted on
04/30/2004 3:47:38 PM PDT
by
AZLiberty
(Of course, you realize this means war! -- Bugs Bunny, borrowing from Groucho Marx)
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