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What the President Might Say:It is about more than just Fallujah.
National Review ^ | April 30, 2004, 8:33 a.m | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/30/2004 7:08:12 AM PDT by Eurotwit

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1 posted on 04/30/2004 7:08:13 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: MEG33
VDH ping.
2 posted on 04/30/2004 7:08:41 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
Now, that's a superb article ! Blimey, it is almost an adress to the world ! Who is this Hanson fellow ?
3 posted on 04/30/2004 7:13:37 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Atlantic Friend
Hanson is a Woodrow Wilson fan who believes that the U.S. should bring democracy to every nook and cranny of the planet. It is because we followed his advice that we are now mired in the Iraqi sinkhole.
4 posted on 04/30/2004 7:17:29 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Atlantic Friend
Hanson is a Woodrow Wilson fan who believes that the U.S. should bring democracy to every nook and cranny of the planet. It is because we followed his advice that we are now mired in the Iraqi sinkhole.
5 posted on 04/30/2004 7:17:29 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Atlantic Friend
Hanson is an Americon writer,professor in California,author of several books and an American treasure.
6 posted on 04/30/2004 7:31:23 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Atlantic Friend
Captain Kirk doesn't like VDH much :-)
7 posted on 04/30/2004 7:33:19 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
That's too bad - well, he has his reasons. Me, I was quite taken aback by the clarity of Hanson's adress.
8 posted on 04/30/2004 7:36:52 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: Captain Kirk
But if our economy is to remain strong — as it must to provide for our soldiers in battle — then Congress must accept compromises on both spending and taxation. We can neither spend nor tax our way out of our present difficulty, so let us agree that no Democrat shall propose another dollar of spending without providing for an addition dollar of revenue; no Republican shall cut another dollar of taxes without guarantees of a like reduction in spending

I guess Victor must have somehow missed the latest $450 billion and growing healthcare 'plan' (read waste) passed by a Republican Congress and signed by a Republican President

9 posted on 04/30/2004 7:37:51 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: nuconvert
PING!
10 posted on 04/30/2004 7:43:12 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" Kerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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To: Eurotwit
Americans believe that freedom and consensual government — far from being the exclusive domain of the West — are ideals central to the human condition and the shared aspirations of all born into this world.

I have a lot of admiration for VDH. However, I'd like to respectfully disagree with this sentence. If anyone feels I'm right or wrong I'd love to know what you think.

I think we believe something darker than what he's writtern. We believe that the natural aspirations of all men born into the world is to dominate his surroundings -- including other people, food, treasure, and anything else around him. But since this produces a state of perpetual war, poverty and chaos, people can eventually learn over time to settle for something less than their real aspiration -- they learn that liberty for all is a better ideal. The dark drive to dominate can then be turned in peaceful and useful directions -- into sport, science, business, art, etc.

I hope I'm not belaboring the point -- it just seems to me that freedom and consensual government are emphatically not natural at all, and we shouldn't be surprised if other cultures don't accept these ideals right away. It takes time and work and education, and even then there is no guarantee of success.

So when we see the worst kind of barbarism around us (in Iraq, Haiti, N. Korea, Africa, etc, etc) we shouldn't be surprised or think it's unnatural. And we shouldn't think it will be easy to change.

11 posted on 04/30/2004 7:44:21 AM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: 68skylark
I agree with you, and I couldn't have said it half as well.
12 posted on 04/30/2004 7:53:11 AM PDT by Irene Adler
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To: Captain Kirk
It is because we followed his advice that we are now mired in the Iraqi sinkhole.

Has anyone else noticed no one even jokingly uses the word "quagmire" around here anymore?

13 posted on 04/30/2004 7:53:50 AM PDT by lewislynn (Who made you, the casual observer, the expert?)
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To: lewislynn
The U.S. Congress is a quagmire...
14 posted on 04/30/2004 8:15:22 AM PDT by Dog Anchor
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To: Dog Anchor
The U.S. Congress is a quagmire...

I know the Republican Congress is a quagmire, but we need to continue to vote for the one that's electable then change the party from within...GAG!

15 posted on 04/30/2004 8:36:10 AM PDT by lewislynn (Who made you, the casual observer, the expert?)
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To: Eurotwit; seamole; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; monkeyshine; ...
Victor Davis Hanson moral clarity huge BUMP

[please freepmail me if you want or don't want to be pinged to Victor Davis Hanson articles]

If you want to bookmark his articles discussed at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-victordavishanson/browse

His NRO archive: http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson-archive.asp

His blog: http://victorhanson.com/index.html     BIO: http://victorhanson.com/Author/index.html

Yes, he is listened by the Bush Administration; they like him maybe as much as we do: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085464/posts?page=6#6

16 posted on 04/30/2004 10:09:22 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik
Bump for later.
17 posted on 04/30/2004 10:17:37 AM PDT by Valin (Hating people is like burning down your house to kill a rat)
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To: lewislynn
Yet, is quite interesting. Remember all the quagmire alerts? I guess that that it is "so funny" anymore.
18 posted on 04/30/2004 11:45:19 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Eurotwit
I previously nominated VDH for Secretary of State. If that's not available, I nominate him for Presidential Speechwriter.
19 posted on 04/30/2004 3:40:24 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Of course, you realize this means war! -- Bugs Bunny, borrowing from Groucho Marx)
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To: AZLiberty
The movie version will be:

Dr. Hanson Goes to Washington

and VDH will be played by Jim Caviezel.

20 posted on 04/30/2004 3:47:38 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Of course, you realize this means war! -- Bugs Bunny, borrowing from Groucho Marx)
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