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Ski-Resort Cannons Headed For Iraq
CBS News ^ | April 28, 2004 | AP

Posted on 04/29/2004 3:08:19 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR




An Alpine Meadows ski resort vehicle transports a 119-A howitzer through the resort's ski runs above Tahoe City, Calif., near Lake Tahoe. (Photo: AP)



“It was designed to kill people, but it's a very valuable safety tool for us.”
Rachael Woods
Lake Tahoe's Alpine Meadows



The U.S. military is demanding the return of five howitzers that two Sierra Nevada ski resorts use to prevent avalanches, saying it needs the guns for the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.



Alpine Meadows and Mammoth Mountain received the artillery pieces on loan from the Army and began using them last year to fire rounds into mountainsides and knock snow loose.

But the ski resorts received word earlier this month that the Army's Tank Automotive and Armaments Command at the Rock Island Arsenal in Illinois needs the howitzers back immediately.

"I need to have them back in the troops' hands within 60 to 90 days," said Don Bowen, the Army command's team leader in charge of the howitzers. “It's a very short timeframe to get them serviceable and back into the theater in southwest Asia. Afghanistan-Iraq is the immediate concern.”

The ski resorts said they will comply.

"Given it's a war effort, their needs are greater than ours," said Larry Heywood, Alpine Meadows director of mountain operations.

Howitzers are short-barreled cannons that can be pulled by a vehicle. They fire three to 10 rounds per minute at a range of 9,600 to 12,330 yards. Replacing one would cost around $1 million, Bowen said Tuesday.

The military lent two to Alpine Meadows and three to Mammoth Mountain.

Alpine Meadows and Mammoth Mountain are the only ski resorts in the nation using the 119-A howitzer, the most modern model available, said Bob Moore, a U.S. Forest Service specialist in Truckee, Calif. Other resorts have older 105 mm howitzers.


Pam Murphy, senior vice president at Mammoth Mountain just east of Yosemite National Park, said the military has provided the ski resort with recoilless rifles and other guns for avalanche control for 30 years. The howitzers are the most effective, Murphy said.

"It was designed to kill people, but it's a very valuable safety tool for us," said Rachael Woods, a spokeswoman at Lake Tahoe's Alpine Meadows, where seven people were killed in an avalanche in 1982.

Resort officials said they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to transport the guns, reimburse the Army for training and build firing platforms.

But Murphy said she understood the Army's decision: "We're certainly at a different place in the world than when we first got the guns."

The Forest Service said it is working to secure older howitzers for the ski resorts, and the Army's Bowen said he is optimistic that will happen.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: banglist; clintonlegacy; howitzers; iraq; ski
We're that short of arms, that our military needs these? Must be one of the many appropriations Ketchup Kerry voted against. The Clintoon legacy lives on!
1 posted on 04/29/2004 3:08:19 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: TERMINATTOR
We've got something like that sitting in front of Town Hall. Been there for 70 years.

They can have that too if they really want it.

2 posted on 04/29/2004 3:39:54 AM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: TERMINATTOR; Eaker; humblegunner
Alpine Meadows and Mammoth Mountain received the artillery pieces on loan from the Army

If a ski resort can have a howitzer. . . can I?

(now I need to find a really big gun range - with or without the snow)

3 posted on 04/29/2004 3:48:16 AM PDT by Flyer (CAUTION! People May Be Dumber Than They Appear In The Forum)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Wow, the Army must be up to something big this spring/summer. Artillery barrages in Iraq and/or Afghanistan? Interesting.
4 posted on 04/29/2004 4:01:40 AM PDT by milemark (Proud to be an infidel.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
We're that short of arms, that our military needs these?

They just want the newer one back, they're substituting an older model. Artillery tubes have very strictly limited lifetimes. A neighbor of mine growing up who was an artilleryman in the Patton's Third Army recalled a cannon barrel bursting during the Battle of the Bulge. (When a division of Royal Tiger tanks is bearing down on you, sometimes rules can be stretched to the breaking point.)

5 posted on 04/29/2004 4:20:34 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Uday and Qusay are ead-day)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Yikes, are supplies that bad? If so, lets hope AQ don't have access to these newspapers.
6 posted on 04/29/2004 4:24:21 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: *bang_list
Bang
7 posted on 04/29/2004 7:50:30 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Flyer
Certainly you can have one, just don't let our "pro second amendment" AG Ashcroft find out, or he'll try to throw you in the gulag. Just because they can shoot long range, doesn't mean you have to! A few practice shots at the local range, in case the gun grabbers show up, might be a good idea. They sometimes forget what happened at Lexington and Concord. You may have to remind them.
8 posted on 04/29/2004 1:31:56 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." -General Patton)
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