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Presidential candidates spar over Vietnam (John FF Kerry lifeboat fully deployed) Techni-puke
News & Observer ^ | 4/28/04 | LIZ MARLANTES

Posted on 04/28/2004 9:22:29 PM PDT by Libloather

Presidential candidates spar over Vietnam
Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:47PM EDT
By LIZ MARLANTES, THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR

WASHINGTON (CSM) - From the start, the 2004 campaign has seemed destined to pivot around questions of war, with the candidates battling over the direction of U.S. policy in Iraq and how best to defend against the threat of terrorism.

But lately, it's another conflagration - Vietnam - that's dominating the campaign discourse.

From the Bush team's raising questions about Sen. John Kerry's Purple Hearts and the ribbons or medals he threw at an anti-war protest, to Kerry's questioning whether the president actually fulfilled his duty in the National Guard, the campaigns have been issuing some of their sharpest barbs - and drawing their sharpest distinctions - over a war that took place more than 30 years ago.

The backward focus may in part reflect the fact that the candidates' positions on the current conflicts, such as Iraq, are not all that different: Although Kerry criticizes the way the president took the nation to war, he is not calling for any kind of withdrawal, while Bush, for his part, has been steadily moving toward Kerry's position of greater U.N. involvement.

But the campaigns are also evoking Vietnam as a key window into each candidate's character - and using it to question their opponent's overall fitness to be commander in chief.

Analysts say the ferocity of the debate reveals the extent to which the battle over national security credentials is likely to pivot on how voters feel about the candidates' backgrounds and personal qualities, rather than specific policy proposals.

"I never have thought this issue was going to be won by the Bush people kicking at Kerry on policy questions," says Democratic strategist Bill Carrick. "It's a more subjective intangible - about what kind of person they think John Kerry is."

Questions of character are particularly dominant in this early stage of the campaign, as both sides scramble to fix an image of Kerry in the eyes of voters.

The Bush campaign has sought to portray Kerry as a flip-flopper, and has linked that characteristic directly to national security with an attack advertisement highlighting a statement Kerry made about how he voted in favor of $87 billion for the troops in Iraq before voting against it.

And while the Bush team has been careful not to criticize Kerry's Vietnam service, it has increasingly highlighted Kerry's anti-war activities after he returned - and implicitly raised questions about his integrity and veracity.

Bush adviser Karen Hughes told CNN she was "troubled" that Kerry only pretended to throw his medals away at an anti-war protest - a claim that Kerry and others have directly disputed - saying, "I can understand if, out of conscience, you take a principled stand and you would decide that you were so opposed to this that you would actually throw your medals. But to pretend to do so, I think that's very revealing."

Analysts from both parties agree that the effort to define Kerry as unprincipled and waffling has taken a toll, pushing up his negative ratings in battleground states.

Moreover, while candidates such as Bill Clinton have successfully overcome a "flip-flopping" label in the past, it may prove more devastating in an election where national security is a top issue - since voters are more likely to want a leader who's strong and decisive.

"The Bush team has Kerry on three sides of every two-sided issue," says Scott Reed, a Republican strategist. "What it has done is cause Kerry to not be able to rise to the level of being a potential commander in chief."

On the other hand, Democrats point out that Kerry remains tied with Bush overall in battleground states - and that he has only just begun to define himself, through positive ads.

Polls show voters are unhappy with the current direction of the country and looking for change, which may make them especially open to hearing Kerry's story.

"They're looking for somebody who crosses the threshold of credibility on big issues that they can't get past, like national security," said Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg, in a recent conference call with reporters. "And so I think people are looking for a story that shows, based on his military experience ... that this is someone you can trust to take on this issue. I assume Kerry will do that," he adds.

Moreover, while it may be necessary for the Bush campaign to try to take some of the shine off Kerry's Vietnam service, it's a tactic Democrats believe might backfire. For one thing, the Kerry campaign has already shown a willingness to attack back - with the candidate himself challenging Bush to prove he fulfilled his obligation to the National Guard.

Indeed, the focus on what Kerry did 30 years ago led the press to reexamine what Bush was doing during that time, notes Carrick. "Real people are going to relate better to a Vietnam veteran than they are to Bush's military record or lack thereof."

And while Republicans are portraying Kerry as a waffler, Democrats have been painting Bush as someone who rushed the nation into an unnecessary war and can't relate to veterans.

"He lives in a glass house when he attacks John Kerry for his service to this country," said former Sen. Max Cleland, a Vietnam veteran and Kerry supporter, in a recent conference call. Veterans would rather have someone who's "gotten a few holes in his T-shirt" in the White House.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: candidates; deployed; ff; fully; john; kerry; lifeboat; militaryrecord; official; presidential; spar; vietnam
Veterans would rather have someone who's "gotten a few holes in his T-shirt" in the White House.

How did Bubba get 'em? My guess - either from rape victims or burning seeds....

1 posted on 04/28/2004 9:22:30 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

2 posted on 04/28/2004 9:25:08 PM PDT by counterpunch (<-CLICK HERE for my CARTOONS)
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To: Libloather
"What it has done is cause Kerry to not be able to rise to the level of being a potential commander in chief."

What do the rest of you make of this sentence? Maybe it's just me, but it reminds me of the Clinton years -- when his defenders said that lying under oath didn't "rise to the level" of an impeachable offense. Are the Republicans trying to use phrases from that era, or am I'm picking up on something that isn't really there?

3 posted on 04/28/2004 9:28:37 PM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: Libloather
"From the Bush teams' raising questions about Sen. John Kerry's Purple Hearts and ribbons or medals he threw at an anti-war protest..."

It's not Bush who is raising these questions....it's the media!
4 posted on 04/28/2004 9:29:44 PM PDT by Arpege92 (America and Israel are two countries that were founded on the rejection of Europe. -Dr. M. Azaryahu)
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To: counterpunch
That's a great image. Today's Democrats are the modern copperheads who cheer for the enemy. You've illustrated that point very well.
5 posted on 04/28/2004 9:29:57 PM PDT by 68skylark (.)
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To: Libloather
Moreover, while candidates such as Bill Clinton have successfully overcome a "flip-flopping" label in the past, it may prove more devastating in an election where national security is a top issue - since voters are more likely to want a leader who's strong and decisive.

Got that right!

6 posted on 04/28/2004 9:30:18 PM PDT by ride the whirlwind (We can't let Kerry win - an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.)
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To: 68skylark
...it reminds me of the Clinton years --

During *Crinton's first run for the office, the official Kool-Aid drinkers proudly announced that - "*He's just like us!" (Raping, draft-dodgers?)

I don't hear much of that this time around...

7 posted on 04/28/2004 9:50:41 PM PDT by Libloather (There isn't enough Levitra on the planet to keep Kerry in this game...)
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"I can understand if, out of conscience, you take a principled stand and you would decide that you were so opposed to this that you would actually throw your medals. But to pretend to do so, I think that's very revealing."

The issue that gets lost here is that Kerry INTENDED to return his military awards (in part if not whole). If he kept the medals but thre away the ribbons, does this distinction really matter? He was indicating that they didn't want them anymore. If he was really proud of them he would have kept medals and ribbons.

In that 1971 interview, he said he didn't know if it was 6,7,8, or 9 of his medals. Why didn't he just say: "I gave back ALL of my medals/ribbons" or "I gave back the medals received for a war crime activity"?

By being unsure of just how many medals/ribbons he threw away he was indicating that he kept SOME medals (because he didn't say ALL of my medals).

Also he says "they are my medals to do with as I wish". Littering is still a crime.

8 posted on 04/28/2004 10:51:10 PM PDT by weegee (JFinKerry used the words Medals and Ribbons interchangeably before he didn't.)
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To: weegee
The issue is the lies.
9 posted on 04/29/2004 12:50:39 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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To: texasflower
An issue is the lies.

In 1984 THE issue was that he possibly threw away his military decorations.

Today he claims his military "heroism" and "war wounds" yet he definitely threw his medals (or at least ribbons) away. He threw away that part of his life as a part of his post service Vietnam War activities.

10 posted on 04/29/2004 1:04:40 AM PDT by weegee (JFinKerry used the words Medals and Ribbons interchangeably before he didn't.)
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I understand what you are saying. However, his lying is what makes him unsuitable to be president.

The dems are able to say that we are slamming his patriotism, right?

Well, if we could manage to stay tightly on message as it pertains to his lying, we are better off.

That way we stay away from the touchy issue of whether or not he is patriotic. Patriotism can be very intangible.

It can mean different things to different people. So, I think we all should have a very focused message about this.

Making it about the LIES, which can be proven easily and highlights everything negative about his character, will clean and sharpen the message that really matters. That Kerry is in no way qualified to run this nation.

Regardless of what happened for either of them decades ago, what matters is the man they are right now.

Put Kerry up against Bush in the issue of his character RIGHT NOW. Not decades ago. Bush is a clear winner and our only choice.

A clean, clear message will resound more with voters. We all learned in kindergarten or before not to lie.

Everybody can relate to that. But, the vietnam war and issues of patriotism can only bring resentment. That allows them to keep the National Guard thing out there, even though he served as he should have.

We need to focus this on Kerry in a way that doesn't give him a clear opening to Bush.

A clean, clear and concise message will take us farther and we will be better able to claim the high road.
11 posted on 04/29/2004 1:38:43 AM PDT by texasflower (in the event of the rapture.......the Bush White House will be unmanned)
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