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Disturbing video from Iraq
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Posted on 04/27/2004 7:25:37 AM PDT by Joe Brower

Please excuse the vanity post, but a Swedish fellow I've been debating with for the last year over the conflict in Iraq sent me this Windows media file as proof of "war crimes" committed by our troops in the recent fighting.

CLICK HERE for the video clip.

I could use input on this particular event, if anyone has any context in which this clip could be put into. We all know how the media, combined with modern video technology, can make anything look like anything, and I could use some information to use against this and what it seems to portray.

Thanks,

Joe Brower


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KEYWORDS: iraq; marines; shooting
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1 posted on 04/27/2004 7:25:38 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: Joe Brower
How is it a war crime to kill someone who was shooting at you?
2 posted on 04/27/2004 7:28:52 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: Joe Brower
Lokks like they used two different incidents, it also looked like they fired out in the field further from the rolling wounded.

I would call for an investigation of this clip through
Accuracy in Media.
http://www.aim.org/

Ops4 God Bless America!
3 posted on 04/27/2004 7:30:22 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: Joe Brower
Where's the alleged "war crime?"
4 posted on 04/27/2004 7:30:51 AM PDT by m87339 (If you could see what a drag it is to be you)
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To: Joe Brower
There's no way to tell what this guy did to get shot in the 1st place.(I'm guessing it was something that showed the soldiers he was the enemy.)
5 posted on 04/27/2004 7:31:00 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Joe Brower
BTW, if you watch the ticker tape, you can see that this clip was heavily edited. What was your friend afraid that others would see?
6 posted on 04/27/2004 7:31:16 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: Joe Brower
Dear Joe,

You asked for context, it is impossible to ascertain. Was this guy wounded while attacking the marines? A noncombatant? If he is still moving around and has a weapon then he is still a threat and shooting him again is good policy. I can't tell if he had a weapon or if he was capable of continued action but the marines felt he was so they smoked him.
7 posted on 04/27/2004 7:31:48 AM PDT by reluctantwarrior (Strength and Honor, just call me Buzzkill for short......)
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To: Joe Brower
Link doesn't open for me.

If it were real evidence cnn would be playing it wall-to-wall 24/7 wouldn't they??
8 posted on 04/27/2004 7:31:48 AM PDT by null and void (Tinfoil is my friend)
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To: Joe Brower
The most dangerous thing in the world is to take on a Marine in a battle zone. All that proves is an enemy soldier died after being shot. And since you don't know where the shot came from, there's no way to know who fired the fatal shot. You swedish friend is grasping at straws.
9 posted on 04/27/2004 7:31:59 AM PDT by theDentist (JOHN KERRY never saw a TAX he would not HIKE !)
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To: Joe Brower
“Hell yeah, that was awesome! Let’s do it again!”

That’s exactly the reaction I would have if I killed one of thousands of bastards trying to kill me and my friends and brothers.

Hell yeah.

10 posted on 04/27/2004 7:32:07 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Ive seen the clip but ive also heard that dead bodies in iraq have a disturbing tendency to set up and fire weapons.

That one wont.
11 posted on 04/27/2004 7:32:35 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: Joe Brower
That Iraqi put up more of a fight than the VC that Kerry killed in Vietnam.
12 posted on 04/27/2004 7:32:36 AM PDT by counterpunch (<-CLICK HERE for my CARTOONS)
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To: Joe Brower
If that's the best he has...fugetaboutit.

The interview was edited.
The video starts at the end, not the beginning of the fight, kinda like the Rodney King video.
13 posted on 04/27/2004 7:32:57 AM PDT by stylin19a (it's only called golf because all the other 4 letter words were taken)
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To: dead
Remeber 9-11 and our Men like Pat Tillman, the video however looks doctored to me. They look like two different incidents, edited together.
Ops4 God BLess America!
14 posted on 04/27/2004 7:33:39 AM PDT by OPS4
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To: Joe Brower
Why was the tape edited so much and what acts did the wounded man engage in before he was shot?

There is more here than meets the eye.
15 posted on 04/27/2004 7:35:13 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (So you're a feminist - isn't that cute!)
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To: Joe Brower
I see a bad guy getting shot. What's the problem?
16 posted on 04/27/2004 7:35:20 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: Joe Brower
Watch the scrolling text at the bottom of the screen. You will see very clearly that the video has been spliced at two points. Once while the man is on the ground and once while interviewng the soldier. Creative editing. There is no telling what was really going on, what the news correspondent said or even whether the interview with the soldier had anything whatsoever to do with that incident (which is extremely unlikely.)
17 posted on 04/27/2004 7:35:32 AM PDT by Avenger
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To: Joe Brower
If this guy was a combatant and the shooter was a sniper the sniper would have hit him once then again if he had to. Likely from a secure spot far away. Not up close like this where the guy could have thrown a grenade or shot back suddenly.

In fact, in Iraq, some American snipers have shot to injure then shot to kill. It makes a point.

These guys did nothing different than what a sniper would have. Just closer.

Moral of the story? It's a f'ng war. Don't kill American kids. It pisses their friends off.

18 posted on 04/27/2004 7:35:46 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (I'm isthisnickcool, and I approved this post!)
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To: OPS4
CNN fails to call attention to the dead guys rifle laying right behind him.
19 posted on 04/27/2004 7:36:27 AM PDT by JIM O
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To: isthisnickcool
Don't kill American kids. It pisses their friends off.

Very well put.

20 posted on 04/27/2004 7:37:02 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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