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Gunships Level Minaret As US Cancels Assault
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-27-2004 | David Rennie

Posted on 04/26/2004 6:17:40 PM PDT by blam

Gunships level minaret as US cancels assault

By David Rennie in Washington and Toby Harnden in Baghdad
(Filed: 27/04/2004)

An American assault on the Iraqi city of Fallujah was postponed yesterday after local commanders said bloody urban warfare could provoke retaliation across the country and protests throughout the Muslim world.

The commanders, citing progress in political negotiations on Saturday night, agreed to extend the threadbare "ceasefire" for at least two more days despite residents' failure to surrender heavy weapons as demanded.

US army vehicles wrecked by an explosion in Baghdad

But yesterday morning a fierce battle left marines "fighting like lions" for their lives.

In a potential propaganda disaster, the marines called in helicopter gunships to level a 60-ft mosque minaret allegedly being used as a firing platform by insurgents.

The decision to step back from an immediate assault was taken after President George W Bush and senior aides held a video conference with Paul Bremer, the Coalition Provisional Authority chief, and Gen John Abizaid, the senior US commander in the region.

One senior official told the New York Times Mr Bush and his aides decided that even if an invasion of Fallujah later became inevitable the delay would allow them to say they had given talks every chance. "No one is eager for the alternatives. There's not much risk in giving this more time, except that the humanitarian situation worsens every day," the official said.

Brig-Gen Mark Kimmitt, the US military spokesman in Baghdad, accused insurgents of provoking marines to open fire when they knew cameras were present, as part of a propaganda war.

A plume of smoke rises over Fallujah as fighting continues

He said: "Many times it would appear that these provocative actions on the part of the enemy are intentionally inspired for the purposes of trying to get a tank into the camera lens, an airplane in the camera lens."

Brig Gen Kimmitt said the latest fighting in Fallujah began when marines were attacked with rocket-propelled grenades and small-arms fire from the mosque.

A search of the minaret found "a significant amount of expended shell casings".

Two hours later, marines were pinned down by more firing from the mosque and called in a quick-reaction force of air support and tanks. These "directed suppressing fire on the mosque, killing eight enemy fighters and damaging the infrastructure". One American was killed.

In Baghdad, cheering Iraqis looted burnt Humvee vehicles and carried away guns and radios yesterday after two American soldiers were killed and five wounded when a house exploded as they searched it for "chemical munitions". A woman soldier with severe burns to the face and chest was seen being taken away on a stretcher and dozens of people, mainly youths, smashed four Humvees which had been set ablaze, stripping them of weapons and equipment.

A boy climbed on top of one of the vehicles and beat it with a stick. Another youth, wielding an American rifle, denounced Mr Bush and Mr Bremer. "This is for the madman Bush, for the madman Bremer," he shouted.

Eight Iraqi civilians were injured in the blast.

Brig-Gen Kimmitt said the house was surrounded after intelligence that its owner was "suspected of producing and supplying chemical agents to insurgents". He would not specify what type of "chemical munitions" were thought to have been there.

About 200 soldiers and military policemen entered the flashpoint city of Najaf - the Shia holy site where the radical young cleric Moqtada al-Sadr is holed up with armed militia fighters - moving into a base due to be vacated by Spanish and Latin American forces soon.

Loud explosions echoed through the city last night as fighting erupted between US forces and Sadr's militia between Najaf and nearby Kufa.

Mr Bremer said an "explosive situation" was developing. Militants were stockpiling weapons in mosques, schools and shrines.


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KEYWORDS: assault; baghdad; cancels; fallujah; gunships; iraq; minaret; rockthecasbah; us
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To: dead
Good headline:

"BOOM. Oh, nevermind anyhow. We'll come back later..."
61 posted on 04/26/2004 7:24:22 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
The micromanagement from the White House looks like Lyndon Johnson's failure in Vietnam. This is looking like Vietnam more every day.

I find all this very disturbing.

62 posted on 04/26/2004 7:25:58 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: FreedomCalls
YOU ARE THE MAN! THE OBSTACLES MUST BE REMOVED.

America doesn't do tit for tat. You tat us, we'll cut your head off...with massive force and from a distance.

And if anyone has a problem with that, take it up with the UN, the Pope...I really don't care.
63 posted on 04/26/2004 7:27:32 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: oceanview
Snipers don't lurk in radio-active rubble for long...
64 posted on 04/26/2004 7:28:20 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: blam
Hmmmmmmm, reminds me of a song, the only pop song ever to use the word "minarets" in the lyrics:


Rock the Casbah
The Clash
1983

Now the king told the boogie men
You have to let that raga drop
The oil down the desert way
Has been shakin’ to the top
The sheik he drove his cadillac
He went a’ cruisnin’ down the ville
The muezzin was a’ standing
On the radiator grille

Chorus
The shareef don’t like it
Rockin’ the casbah
Rock the casbah
The shareef don’t like it
Rockin’ the casbah
Rock the casbah

By order of the prophet
We ban that boogie sound
Degenerate the faithful
With that crazy casbah sound
But the bedouin they brought out
The electric camel drum
The local guitar picker
Got his guitar picking thumb
As soon as the shareef
Had cleared the square
They began to wail

Chorus

Now over at the temple
Oh! they really pack ’em in
The in crowd say it’s cool
To dig this chanting thing
But as the wind changed direction
The temple band took five
The crowd caught a wiff
Of that crazy casbah jive

Chorus

The king called up his jet fighters
He said you better earn your pay
Drop your bombs between the minarets
Down the casbah way

As soon as the shareef was
Chauffeured outta there
The jet pilots tuned to
The cockpit radio blare

As soon as the shareef was
Outta their hair
The jet pilots wailed

Chorus

He thinks it’s not kosher
Fundamentally he can’t take it.
You know he really hates it.
65 posted on 04/26/2004 7:28:54 PM PDT by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Nope, and I said that. We don't need a stalking horse, our activity is already justified and frankly, most of the Iraqis seem to think so too. I think sending in patrols to see who gets shot first is insane.
66 posted on 04/26/2004 7:28:54 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
How do you know there is micromanagement? Maybe the whitehouse asked the men on the ground what they thought should be done and they said to hold off a couple more days...

I only know what I read.

Over the weekend all the stories about Fallujah included the White House decision about the city.

Terrorists can't be converted!

They must be destroyed.

67 posted on 04/26/2004 7:30:05 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: HighWheeler
Except for this song called "Minarets" by Dave Mathews Band

Santa Maria choose your children
Santa Maria virgin child
all our wars over you we are fighting
and all our time faith justifying

Brother caged Babylon will fall
Sister chained and bound, beaten and bleeding
The tv's on, to me this explains it
Wearing a tie like daddy speaks it
Screaming from the minarets

Later on we'll all be dancing
Screaming from the minarets
Yes indeed i'm making faces
Rain on the ground in a space
God has grown
Alone till a man looking glass in his hand
He is holding up to you

What you see
What you see
What you see
What you see is human
Screaming from the minarets
68 posted on 04/26/2004 7:31:39 PM PDT by HighWheeler (RATS hero is an impeached, dis-barred, lying, perjuring, cheating, lazy, cowardly sexual predator)
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To: MonroeDNA
The first part of the article said the "local" commanders were against a full scale entry. It did NOT say that Bush was micromanaging.

While I hate to disagree with some of you, I trust Bush and his advisors at this point. They have far more intel info that anyone on this board and I hope and pray that they are making the best use of it.

You guys may be right, but I have not yet lost confidence in our President.
69 posted on 04/26/2004 7:43:03 PM PDT by arjay ("I don't do bumper stickers." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
One Marine/Soldier is not worth 1,000 ragheads.

10,000

Agree. But the people over there think that an all out assault would cause uprisings across the country. That means LOTS of dead Marines and Soldier (and US civilians).

The optimum choice can be between bad and awful. There's nothing that says there has to be a good one.

It's possible that current Marine sniping and infiltration will result in just as many terrorists killed but very few dead Iraqi civilians. Most of the casualties are from IEDs, convoy attacks, and the booby-trapped building. Not from successful attacks against the Marines. The Marines in Fallujah are dishing out a lot more than they are taking.

The terrorists want us to lash out, kill a boatload of Iraqi civilians, and create a bunch of recruits for Michael Moron's Minutemen. I'm frustrated too but we can't play into their hands. Let them starve. Let them get gunned down every time they move. Let our troops perfect their intelligence about exactly where they are and kill only the terrorists.

If our Marines can conquer a city without leveling it, they will make military history. It will have huge implications. Hiding among civilians will no longer be a safe haven for the terrorists. They will know that, if they attack us, they village/town/city will be surrounded and they will DIE there. The civilians will know if they harbor these scum, they too will suffer. Tipping point.

70 posted on 04/26/2004 7:44:25 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: oceanview
it was a mistake to bomb it, snipers lurked in the rubble for a long time.

Wha? You mean allied troops are still stuck in southern Italy? We still have a problem with German snipers to this day? After the attack, there might have been a few left over snipers, but all the heavy morters and massed weapons that caused the tie up to troops passing by were eliminated. We haven't had a problem with them since.

71 posted on 04/26/2004 7:47:18 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
"What are we waiting for?"

May 1. Why? Because no matter how careful and good our young men are, some will die. I hate to say this but Bush doesn't want the U.S. body count to go any higher in April. Yes, it is politics, but Bush is a politician and a darned good one at that.

The "cease fire" was a chance to let the Jihadis with second thoughts about dying run away and the hardcore Islamofascist to gather together. It also defused several other hot spots. When we take Najaf and Fallujah, there won't be any help for the cowards.

Several imans and clerics have condemned them for using mosques as hiding places and the people of Iraq understand that the US troops will do as much as possible to avoid damaging their holy places. They also know that our troops won't let them shoot from the mosques with impunity.

The people will blame the terrorists for any damage to the mosques and the U.S. will graciously offer to help rebuild the mosques.

Perhaps some moderate imans need to start teaching about how it is wrong to place too much value in an object (such as a mosque).
72 posted on 04/26/2004 7:48:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: blam
Wimp II anyone?
73 posted on 04/26/2004 7:50:25 PM PDT by dts32041 ("Liberty is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity" George W Bush 28 Jan 2003)
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To: FreedomCalls
The Monte Cassino bombing was a fiasco. By bombing the monastery into rubble the German paratroopers had a better firing platform and defensable position. When it was "taken", it was only because the position was abandoned by the Germans.

Ugh. Bringing up Monte Cassino is not appropriate.
74 posted on 04/26/2004 7:52:08 PM PDT by lavrenti (I'm not bad, just misunderstood.)
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To: dts32041
"Wimp II anyone?"

To early/soon.

75 posted on 04/26/2004 7:56:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: kddid
--"So How is This Story Like VietNam?"--

It 's Like "Vietnam" if our Politicians attempt to Direct our Military.

Hopefully, our Military is allowed to Execute It's Options!

So Far, There are NO "Options" "Un-Vetted" by our Military!

Doc

76 posted on 04/26/2004 7:56:51 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: Billthedrill
I don't want to level Fallujah because it's a city of 200,000 people where more important things than war are happening, and where the militants want us to provide them with a convenient media campaign. Lord knows our own media are complicit in it, and theirs have been positioned for three weeks.

Be advised that this type of warfare amounts to 'trolling for terrorists" using our guys as "bait" we patrol and lure the bad guys into ambushing our guys with RPGs...a few of our guys die...but we hopefully get a fix on the bad guys and then kill ten or twenty of them....its a war of attrition...and we must sacrifice a few of ours for more of theirs....

Success measured in "kill ratios"....I've fought in both kinds of parameters...and trolling for ambushes sucks beyond belief...it tears the heart of you....you cant do it for long without going nuts...It makes no sense to the guys who came to fight...and are forced to become bait... We wont show our flag draped coffins on the TEe Vee....and they don't get many dead babies to show on their tee vee...

The idea is we trade our boys lives for their 'so called' "civilian" lives...so as we don't have a major rebellion on our hands supported by not only all Arab nations but all Muslim nations every commie nation and all other nations who hate us anyway...but now have a real excuse to band together against us...at least in the court of world opinion....and that includes half the USA

And this is an election year.... IMO

77 posted on 04/26/2004 8:00:01 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: blam
Starting to look like the democrats are in charge... Suggest finding the officers that are democrats and moving them to Germany.

Iraq is starting to appear like Mardi Gras in Tijuana except no beads and the only ones having fun are those drunk on unity. Some uniters and not dividers are running this war. Seems to me a little more dividing and breaking things and a lot less uniting would work nicely.

Iraqis don't unify well. Import some Libertarians to show them how to do anarchy correctly. Thats it. Deport the democrats cause their stupid or they would'nt be democrats. And import some libertarians because they want exactely what the Iraqis have now. And stand back and watch as they all get high together.. Might not work but at least the democrats will be in Germany and we can call it the Doritos and Dip for oil program.. The tourism from Hollywood would rise and we could nuke several problems at once. The democrats in Germany could see what a real Nazi looks like and could recognize the feminazis when they get back to America the Effeminate.

78 posted on 04/26/2004 8:00:19 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: blam
dozens of people, mainly youths, smashed four Humvees which had been set ablaze,
stripping them of weapons and equipment.

A boy climbed on top of one of the vehicles and beat it with a stick.
Another youth, wielding an American rifle, denounced Mr Bush and Mr Bremer.
"This is for the madman Bush, for the madman Bremer," he shouted.

Wonder where these Baghdad based thugs got the idea they could get away with such actions?
Didn't they understand Fallujah?
We solved that problem when we promised an "overwhelming response."
They better be careful or we'll promise again.

79 posted on 04/26/2004 8:02:24 PM PDT by ASA Vet (It will take a few more major hits here at home before we decide on war.)
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To: Billthedrill
Thank you for reaffirming that. History just keeps on repeating itself, war after war...remember, those that wish to depopulate the world would eliminate 150,000,000 Americans first. Or more.
80 posted on 04/26/2004 8:02:56 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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