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Gunships Level Minaret As US Cancels Assault
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-27-2004 | David Rennie

Posted on 04/26/2004 6:17:40 PM PDT by blam

Gunships level minaret as US cancels assault

By David Rennie in Washington and Toby Harnden in Baghdad
(Filed: 27/04/2004)

An American assault on the Iraqi city of Fallujah was postponed yesterday after local commanders said bloody urban warfare could provoke retaliation across the country and protests throughout the Muslim world.

The commanders, citing progress in political negotiations on Saturday night, agreed to extend the threadbare "ceasefire" for at least two more days despite residents' failure to surrender heavy weapons as demanded.

US army vehicles wrecked by an explosion in Baghdad

But yesterday morning a fierce battle left marines "fighting like lions" for their lives.

In a potential propaganda disaster, the marines called in helicopter gunships to level a 60-ft mosque minaret allegedly being used as a firing platform by insurgents.

The decision to step back from an immediate assault was taken after President George W Bush and senior aides held a video conference with Paul Bremer, the Coalition Provisional Authority chief, and Gen John Abizaid, the senior US commander in the region.

One senior official told the New York Times Mr Bush and his aides decided that even if an invasion of Fallujah later became inevitable the delay would allow them to say they had given talks every chance. "No one is eager for the alternatives. There's not much risk in giving this more time, except that the humanitarian situation worsens every day," the official said.

Brig-Gen Mark Kimmitt, the US military spokesman in Baghdad, accused insurgents of provoking marines to open fire when they knew cameras were present, as part of a propaganda war.

A plume of smoke rises over Fallujah as fighting continues

He said: "Many times it would appear that these provocative actions on the part of the enemy are intentionally inspired for the purposes of trying to get a tank into the camera lens, an airplane in the camera lens."

Brig Gen Kimmitt said the latest fighting in Fallujah began when marines were attacked with rocket-propelled grenades and small-arms fire from the mosque.

A search of the minaret found "a significant amount of expended shell casings".

Two hours later, marines were pinned down by more firing from the mosque and called in a quick-reaction force of air support and tanks. These "directed suppressing fire on the mosque, killing eight enemy fighters and damaging the infrastructure". One American was killed.

In Baghdad, cheering Iraqis looted burnt Humvee vehicles and carried away guns and radios yesterday after two American soldiers were killed and five wounded when a house exploded as they searched it for "chemical munitions". A woman soldier with severe burns to the face and chest was seen being taken away on a stretcher and dozens of people, mainly youths, smashed four Humvees which had been set ablaze, stripping them of weapons and equipment.

A boy climbed on top of one of the vehicles and beat it with a stick. Another youth, wielding an American rifle, denounced Mr Bush and Mr Bremer. "This is for the madman Bush, for the madman Bremer," he shouted.

Eight Iraqi civilians were injured in the blast.

Brig-Gen Kimmitt said the house was surrounded after intelligence that its owner was "suspected of producing and supplying chemical agents to insurgents". He would not specify what type of "chemical munitions" were thought to have been there.

About 200 soldiers and military policemen entered the flashpoint city of Najaf - the Shia holy site where the radical young cleric Moqtada al-Sadr is holed up with armed militia fighters - moving into a base due to be vacated by Spanish and Latin American forces soon.

Loud explosions echoed through the city last night as fighting erupted between US forces and Sadr's militia between Najaf and nearby Kufa.

Mr Bremer said an "explosive situation" was developing. Militants were stockpiling weapons in mosques, schools and shrines.


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KEYWORDS: assault; baghdad; cancels; fallujah; gunships; iraq; minaret; rockthecasbah; us
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To: kayak
Im afraid Dubya is micro-managing the war from the WH...I pray he isn't, but if it is true, it's a huge mistake....let the generals run the war....Johnson made a huge mistake doing this.
21 posted on 04/26/2004 6:48:27 PM PDT by mystery-ak (*They are all Pat Tillman's*........Rushl)
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To: blam
Is this an Iraqi minaret or a Michigan minaret?
22 posted on 04/26/2004 6:49:26 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Communism has bowed the knee to Jesus. *** Allah is next.)
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To: blam
If this is true, which I personally see evidence it could very well be, then WHAT THE * IS WASHINGTON * THINKING?

Bush is very savvy, but I hope he gets over this PC war BS and fast. It's killing us.
23 posted on 04/26/2004 6:50:33 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: mystery-ak; CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
I think the only "micro-managing" that has been done by the Whitehouse has been to tell Abazide to do whatever he thinks is best. I can't see President Bush telling the military what to do.
24 posted on 04/26/2004 6:53:01 PM PDT by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing.)
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To: kddid
The only Vietnam analogy I see that I will comment on is the fact that, as in Vietnam, the enemy is not just coming from inside Iraq, and they're not staying in Iraq all the time. I.e., Laos, Cambodia, etc. fed the NVA and Vietdung then retreated to the border regions, the same as we are experiencing from Iraq's neighbors (Syria, Iran, Egypt, etc.) as well as mooselimb nations from afar. THAT is dangerous.
25 posted on 04/26/2004 6:53:27 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
Well, some of our posters here are thirsty for blood! I hope they're able to act tough, not just talk tough in a forum.
26 posted on 04/26/2004 6:55:30 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: blam
bloody urban warfare could provoke retaliation across the country and protests throughout the Muslim world.

It doesn't have to be "Urban Warfare" where our people get hurt.

If the Muslim World wants a fight with us, now would be better than later. We have to stop worrying what others think or say about us because it's never going to be (honestly) good. Our situation is only slightly different from the one Israel has been dealing with for 50+ years.

(And think about the celebrations that might occur here!)

ML/NJ

27 posted on 04/26/2004 6:56:26 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: blam
In a potential propaganda disaster, the marines called in helicopter gunships to level a 60-ft mosque minaret allegedly being used as a firing platform by insurgents.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
* propaganda disasters. PC sockcuckers. The only reason anything is 'brewing' is because we left a pot on the stove.
28 posted on 04/26/2004 6:56:35 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: r9etb; CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
No, he's right. Don't let your 'anti-Bush bashing' concerns cloud your judgment of history.

The politicians need to butt out and let the military be the military.
29 posted on 04/26/2004 6:58:23 PM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Communism has bowed the knee to Jesus. *** Allah is next.)
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To: ml/nj
Until we acknowledge that Islam is not a religion of peace, that, when practiced strictly, it is a murdering cult of nuts...until then, we are losing the global war that islam is waging against us.

Of course, PC is more important.../sarcasm

I honestly, in this environment, would not allow my child to serve. He isn't worth a PC war. Someone has to defend the homeland while all the other troops are stationed in one of 100+ nations throughout the world.
30 posted on 04/26/2004 6:59:28 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: McGavin999
I hope you're right...I really hate to see Dubya fall into that trap.....it's such a mess over there right now.
31 posted on 04/26/2004 7:00:51 PM PDT by mystery-ak (*They are all Pat Tillman's*........Rushl)
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To: kddid
So how is this like Vietnam?

For all his faults, FDR didn't butt into the seige of Aachen. I can say that it's less and less like WW2...

32 posted on 04/26/2004 7:01:14 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: blam
Why should we show more restraint for the inhabitants of Fallujah then we did for the inhabitants of Dresden? Is this some sort of "reverse racism"? Are we too politically correct to fight?

Dresden, Germany, February 1944.

33 posted on 04/26/2004 7:02:18 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: MonroeDNA
Let the Marines decide what needs to be done.

As a nation, we cannot decide whether to fight --- for anything -- ever since late 60s. Why do you think it is different now?

34 posted on 04/26/2004 7:02:32 PM PDT by TopQuark
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
It's [past] time to crush Fallujah!.

Amen.

35 posted on 04/26/2004 7:03:06 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
I agree. The PC calculations are killing us....
36 posted on 04/26/2004 7:03:41 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: r9etb
Were you saying something? All I heard was a monotonous blah blah blah blah blah blah blah .....

That's exactly what the White House is hearing, I'm afraid.

I've donated twice to the Bush/Cheney reelection and just received my 2nd autographed photo of the President and First Lady.

I've called the White House comments line several times to voice my concerns.

37 posted on 04/26/2004 7:03:59 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: FreedomCalls
This PC war is BS. It's killing us. And not one American, even, yes, John Fing Kerry, is worth a thousand demon-possessed savages that murder because we don't bow to the devil's charicature 5 times a day...
38 posted on 04/26/2004 7:06:40 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (FREE 3D On-line Golf Game - Independent Reseller of the Week: http://egolfinternational.com/wig)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
We have to be nice, and it is not micro-management.

The ACLU and NBC, ABC, PBS and CBS are looking over our shoulders, and they want Kerry to win.

We ought to give the bstrds 24 hours to come out with their hands up, or level the whole damn city.

One Marine/Soldier is not worth 1,000 ragheads.

39 posted on 04/26/2004 7:07:25 PM PDT by oldtimer (t)
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To: blam
"Gunships Level Minaret As US Cancels Assault"

Is that a great headline or what? I think that it inadvertently captures the situation - whatever grand assault some folks - mostly amateurs - were predicting, the truth is (1) it won't be that, and (2) the shooting hasn't stopped, and the bad guys are getting the crap knocked out of them.

I don't want to level Fallujah because it's a city of 200,000 people where more important things than war are happening, and where the militants want us to provide them with a convenient media campaign. Lord knows our own media are complicit in it, and theirs have been positioned for three weeks.

But I certainly don't want to send in a patrol as a stalking horse, either, because people will be killed as justification for a retaliation that I think is already justified and imminent.

Here's what I think will happen in broad terms: we're going to whack these guys by the hundreds. We're going to make them fight and we're going to defeat them when they do. How much of Fallujah is left is really not our concern, but if it's flattened it won't be because that was our first choice. All IMHO and subject to vigorous debate, of course.

40 posted on 04/26/2004 7:07:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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