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Gunships Level Minaret As US Cancels Assault
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 4-27-2004 | David Rennie

Posted on 04/26/2004 6:17:40 PM PDT by blam

Gunships level minaret as US cancels assault

By David Rennie in Washington and Toby Harnden in Baghdad
(Filed: 27/04/2004)

An American assault on the Iraqi city of Fallujah was postponed yesterday after local commanders said bloody urban warfare could provoke retaliation across the country and protests throughout the Muslim world.

The commanders, citing progress in political negotiations on Saturday night, agreed to extend the threadbare "ceasefire" for at least two more days despite residents' failure to surrender heavy weapons as demanded.

US army vehicles wrecked by an explosion in Baghdad

But yesterday morning a fierce battle left marines "fighting like lions" for their lives.

In a potential propaganda disaster, the marines called in helicopter gunships to level a 60-ft mosque minaret allegedly being used as a firing platform by insurgents.

The decision to step back from an immediate assault was taken after President George W Bush and senior aides held a video conference with Paul Bremer, the Coalition Provisional Authority chief, and Gen John Abizaid, the senior US commander in the region.

One senior official told the New York Times Mr Bush and his aides decided that even if an invasion of Fallujah later became inevitable the delay would allow them to say they had given talks every chance. "No one is eager for the alternatives. There's not much risk in giving this more time, except that the humanitarian situation worsens every day," the official said.

Brig-Gen Mark Kimmitt, the US military spokesman in Baghdad, accused insurgents of provoking marines to open fire when they knew cameras were present, as part of a propaganda war.

A plume of smoke rises over Fallujah as fighting continues

He said: "Many times it would appear that these provocative actions on the part of the enemy are intentionally inspired for the purposes of trying to get a tank into the camera lens, an airplane in the camera lens."

Brig Gen Kimmitt said the latest fighting in Fallujah began when marines were attacked with rocket-propelled grenades and small-arms fire from the mosque.

A search of the minaret found "a significant amount of expended shell casings".

Two hours later, marines were pinned down by more firing from the mosque and called in a quick-reaction force of air support and tanks. These "directed suppressing fire on the mosque, killing eight enemy fighters and damaging the infrastructure". One American was killed.

In Baghdad, cheering Iraqis looted burnt Humvee vehicles and carried away guns and radios yesterday after two American soldiers were killed and five wounded when a house exploded as they searched it for "chemical munitions". A woman soldier with severe burns to the face and chest was seen being taken away on a stretcher and dozens of people, mainly youths, smashed four Humvees which had been set ablaze, stripping them of weapons and equipment.

A boy climbed on top of one of the vehicles and beat it with a stick. Another youth, wielding an American rifle, denounced Mr Bush and Mr Bremer. "This is for the madman Bush, for the madman Bremer," he shouted.

Eight Iraqi civilians were injured in the blast.

Brig-Gen Kimmitt said the house was surrounded after intelligence that its owner was "suspected of producing and supplying chemical agents to insurgents". He would not specify what type of "chemical munitions" were thought to have been there.

About 200 soldiers and military policemen entered the flashpoint city of Najaf - the Shia holy site where the radical young cleric Moqtada al-Sadr is holed up with armed militia fighters - moving into a base due to be vacated by Spanish and Latin American forces soon.

Loud explosions echoed through the city last night as fighting erupted between US forces and Sadr's militia between Najaf and nearby Kufa.

Mr Bremer said an "explosive situation" was developing. Militants were stockpiling weapons in mosques, schools and shrines.


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KEYWORDS: assault; baghdad; cancels; fallujah; gunships; iraq; minaret; rockthecasbah; us
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To: Dilbert56
Excellent. I think you are exactly right.
101 posted on 04/26/2004 8:47:11 PM PDT by arjay ("I don't do bumper stickers." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: McGavin999
Abazid understands the culture.

Maybe that's the problem. It's a lot easier to blow away one you don't understand.
102 posted on 04/26/2004 8:50:40 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: blam
the marines called in helicopter gunships to level a 60-ft mosque minaret

Best news I've heard this week!

103 posted on 04/26/2004 8:51:18 PM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
The only thing that Islam understands is decisive strength. Our inaction (comparatively) in Fallujah is views as weakness by those thugs.

Unfortunately,as I and many other have said here on FR - not even GW has the guts to do what it REALLY will take to clean house in Iraq.

And yes, in a way the Iraq experience is starting to look like Vietnam, although I don't believe it's totally fair to compare the two. Any such comparison only reinforces the left's view and goals.
104 posted on 04/26/2004 8:51:45 PM PDT by TheBattman (Leadership = http://www.georgewbush.com/)
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To: lavrenti
Everybody knows that. But you are focusing on something that is not part of the analogy.
105 posted on 04/26/2004 8:54:58 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
You are not alone. Read this excerpt from Lt. Col. Steve Russell with the 4th ID and his experience in Tikrit.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125018/posts
106 posted on 04/26/2004 9:01:09 PM PDT by ChinaThreat
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To: lavrenti
Once the minarets are gone they are no longer good sniping or lookout positions. Monte Casino remained viable to the Germans because it was on a hilltop. Any mosque on a hilltop I will grant your objection.
107 posted on 04/26/2004 9:05:47 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: ASA Vet
Iraqi tewwowists must suwwender o we shall taunt them again!
108 posted on 04/26/2004 9:09:47 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: oceanview
And how is that different?
109 posted on 04/26/2004 9:12:14 PM PDT by KingofQue
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To: TheBattman
Good point, the dichotomy is different but the point is the same. The politicians are driving it and our fighting machine is idling.
110 posted on 04/26/2004 9:48:04 PM PDT by Iberian
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To: neutrino
Agreed:

Makes me glad to see my tax dollars doing some good.
111 posted on 04/26/2004 10:06:02 PM PDT by epigone73
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To: oldtimer; CROSSHIGHWAYMAN; Ernest_at_the_Beach
"One Marine/Soldier is not worth 1,000 ragheads."

And if that were the alternatives we faced in Fallujah, you'd be right.

But the choice isn't Iraqi lives versus American lives. The choice is whether we want to expend the lives of our Marines and Soldiers doing such a half-assed job, that every five or ten years, when each new crop of terrorists comes of age, that we suffer an additional and commensurate loss of Marines and Soldiers lives each time we have to go back.

Or do we want to get the job done right the first time with the lowest long-term cost in the lives of our Marines and Soldiers?

The only way to ensure the latter choice is to do one of two things: Either kill everything that walks or crawls throughout the entire middle east, no exceptions, or else be prepared to roll up your sleeves and partake in the hard work, alongside the Iraqi's, to see that Iraq becomes a place where terrorism can never flourish again.

In terms of the current battle at Fallujah, that translates to this: If you're actively engaged in terrorism, whether you are from Iraq, Syria or Iran, or even if you're just willingly providing material support or sanctuary to the terrorists, then you die. If terrorists hide men or equipment in mosques or other buildings, the same rule applies. For all other inhabitants, buildings and infrastructure, we do our damndest to avoid killing or destroying them.

That approach may appear to some to unnecessarily hazard the lives of our Marines and Soldiers, but in the long term, it saves lives....American lives.

--Boot Hill

112 posted on 04/27/2004 1:13:02 AM PDT by Boot Hill (America...thy hand shall be upon the neck of thine enemies.)
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To: Boot Hill
Maybe.

But Plan A guarantees it.

And demonstrating the willingness to do Plan A is the best, if not only, way to make Plan B work.
113 posted on 04/27/2004 1:26:35 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
"But Plan A guarantees it."

It sure does! It guarantees that we will end up with a problem far worse than middle eastern terrorism ever was. Do you honestly believe that there would be no repercussions or blow-back, were we to employ the "Genghis Khan strategy", here in the 21st Century?

--Boot Hill

114 posted on 04/27/2004 1:49:39 AM PDT by Boot Hill (America...thy hand shall be upon the neck of thine enemies.)
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To: Boot Hill
Tell me. What are the French going to do?
115 posted on 04/27/2004 2:49:37 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Rumble Thee Forth...)
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To: oldtimer
The ACLU and NBC, ABC, PBS and CBS are looking over our shoulders, and they want Kerry to win.

First-- the old media is IRRELEVANT. Kerry's recent poll numbers have dropped, while Bush's have gone up, this after a coordinated smear campaign that lasted weeks with the 911 commission.

Second-- the WH is apparently still thinking in the outdated paradigm of political correctness. These political panners need to get up to speed and actually trust the American people, that we understand what's at stake, that we understand what Islam is, that we want the world's respect more than their affection.

We could have been the lone superpower in the fifties, had we not fallen into the deception of the left wing media. The Soviets never could stand up to us, (Compare our experience in Afghanistan with theirs), but the communists in the media had a stranglehold on info.

No more. Bush, wake up!!

116 posted on 04/27/2004 4:00:01 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Communism has bowed the knee to Jesus. *** Allah is next.)
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To: hosepipe
LOL! Good analysis--we could get Cheech & Chong as Secretary of State.
117 posted on 04/27/2004 4:13:16 AM PDT by ovrtaxt ( Communism has bowed the knee to Jesus. *** Allah is next.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
43 Jihadis killed in Najaf.

Feel better? We aren't letting them get away, we are whittling them down.

118 posted on 04/27/2004 5:47:17 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Where have I heard 'patience' before,

Your mother? ;^)

119 posted on 04/27/2004 5:48:05 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: KingofQue
if we have a real uprising of the iraqi populace, with millions in open revolt in the streets, we lose the war, period. we can't handle that, we can't massacre them all, especially since the war was fought to liberate them.

the media wants people to believe the populace is in open revolt now, its not true, the numbers are small.
120 posted on 04/27/2004 7:29:28 AM PDT by oceanview
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