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Saddam's WMD Have Been Found
Insight Magazine ^
| 26 April 2004
| Kenneth R. Timmerman
Posted on 04/26/2004 7:32:46 AM PDT by Lando Lincoln
New evidence out of Iraq suggests that the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction (WMD) is having better success than is being reported. Key assertions by the intelligence community that were widely judged in the media and by critics of President George W. Bush as having been false are turning out to have been true after all. But this stunning news has received little attention from the major media, and the president's critics continue to insist that "no weapons" have been found.
In virtually every case - chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missiles - the United States has found the weapons and the programs that the Iraqi dictator successfully concealed for 12 years from U.N. weapons inspectors.
The Iraq Survey Group (ISG), whose intelligence analysts are managed by Charles Duelfer, a former State Department official and deputy chief of the U.N.-led arms-inspection teams, has found "hundreds of cases of activities that were prohibited" under U.N. Security Council resolutions, a senior administration official tells Insight. "There is a long list of charges made by the U.S. that have been confirmed, but none of this seems to mean anything because the weapons that were unaccounted for by the United Nations remain unaccounted for."
Both Duelfer and his predecessor, David Kay, reported to Congress that the evidence they had found on the ground in Iraq showed Saddam's regime was in "material violation" of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the last of 17 resolutions that promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not make a complete disclosure of its weapons programs and dismantle them in a verifiable manner. The United States cited Iraq's refusal to comply with these demands as one justification for going to war.
Both Duelfer and Kay found that Iraq had "a clandestine network of laboratories and safe houses with equipment that was suitable to continuing its prohibited chemical- and biological-weapons [BW] programs," the official said. "They found a prison laboratory where we suspect they tested biological weapons on human subjects." They found equipment for "uranium-enrichment centrifuges" whose only plausible use was as part of a clandestine nuclear-weapons program. In all these cases, "Iraqi scientists had been told before the war not to declare their activities to the U.N. inspectors," the official said.
But while the president's critics and the media might plausibly hide behind ambiguity and a lack of sensational-
looking finds for not reporting some discoveries, in the case of Saddam's ballistic-missile programs they have no excuse for their silence. "Where were the missiles? We found them," another senior administration official told Insight.
"Saddam Hussein's prohibited missile programs are as close to a slam dunk as you will ever find for violating United Nations resolutions," the first official said. Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area.
When former weapons inspector Kay reported to Congress in January that the United States had found "no stockpiles" of forbidden weapons in Iraq, his conclusions made front-page news. But when he detailed what the ISG had found in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence last October, few took notice. Among Kay's revelations, which officials tell Insight have been amplified in subsequent inspections in recent weeks:
- A prison laboratory complex that may have been used for human testing of BW agents and "that Iraqi officials working to prepare the U.N. inspections were explicitly ordered not to declare to the U.N." Why was Saddam interested in testing biological-warfare agents on humans if he didn't have a biological-weapons program?
- "Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist. "We thought it was a big deal," a senior administration official said. "But it has been written off [by the press] as a sort of 'starter set.'"
- New research on BW-applicable agents, brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, and continuing work on ricin and aflatoxin that were not declared to the United Nations.
- A line of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), or drones, "not fully declared at an undeclared production facility and an admission that they had tested one of their declared UAVs out to a range of 500 kilometers [311 miles], 350 kilometers [217 miles] beyond the permissible limit."
- "Continuing covert capability to manufacture fuel propellant useful only for prohibited Scud-variant missiles, a capability that was maintained at least until the end of 2001 and that cooperating Iraqi scientists have said they were told to conceal from the U.N."
- "Plans and advanced design work for new long-range missiles with ranges up to at least 1,000 kilometers [621 miles] - well beyond the 150-kilometer-range limit [93 miles] imposed by the U.N. Missiles of a 1,000-kilometer range would have allowed Iraq to threaten targets throughout the Middle East, including Ankara [Turkey], Cairo [Egypt] and Abu Dhabi [United Arab Emirates]."
- In addition, through interviews with Iraqi scientists, seized documents and other evidence, the ISG learned the Iraqi government had made "clandestine attempts between late 1999 and 2002 to obtain from North Korea technology related to 1,300-kilometer-range [807 miles] ballistic missiles - probably the No Dong - 300-kilometer-range [186 miles] antiship cruise missiles and other prohibited military equipment," Kay reported.
In testimony before Congress on March 30, Duelfer, revealed that the ISG had found evidence of a "crash program" to construct new plants capable of making chemical- and biological-warfare agents. The ISG also found a previously undeclared program to build a "high-speed rail gun," a device apparently designed for testing nuclear-weapons materials. That came in addition to 500 tons of natural uranium stockpiled at Iraq's main declared nuclear site south of Baghdad, which International Atomic Energy Agency spokesman Mark Gwozdecky acknowledged to Insight had been intended for "a clandestine nuclear-weapons program."
In taking apart Iraq's clandestine procurement network, Duelfer said his investigators had discovered that "the primary source of illicit financing for this system was oil smuggling conducted through government-to-government protocols negotiated with neighboring countries [and] from kickback payments made on contracts set up through the U.N. oil-for-food program" [see "Documents Prove U.N. Oil Corruption," April 27-May 10].
What the president's critics and the media widely have portrayed as the most dramatic failure of the U.S. case against Saddam has been the claimed failure to find "stockpiles" of chemical and biological weapons. But in a June 2003 Washington Post op-ed, former chief U.N. weapons inspector Rolf Ekeus called such criticism "a distortion and a trivialization of a major threat to international peace and security."
The October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction concluded that Saddam "probably has stocked at least 100 metric tons (MT) and possibly as much as 500 MT of CW [chemical warfare] agents - much of it added in the last year." That assessment was based, in part, on conclusions contained in the final report from U.N. weapons inspectors in 1999, which highlighted discrepancies in what the Iraqis reported to the United Nations and the amount of precursor chemicals U.N. arms inspectors could document Iraq had imported but for which it no longer could account. Until now, Bush's critics say, no stockpiles of CW agents made with those precursors have been found. The snap conclusion they draw is that the administration "lied" to the American people to create a pretext for invading Iraq.
But what are "stockpiles" of CW agents supposed to look like? Was anyone seriously expecting Saddam to have left behind freshly painted warehouses packed with chemical munitions, all neatly laid out in serried rows, with labels written in English? Or did they think that a captured Saddam would guide U.S. troops to smoking vats full of nerve gas in an abandoned factory? In fact, as recent evidence made public by a former operations officer for the Coalition Provisional Authority's (CPA's) intelligence unit in Iraq shows, some of those stockpiles have been found - not all at once, and not all in nice working order - but found all the same.
Douglas Hanson was a U.S. Army cavalry reconnaissance officer for 20 years, and a veteran of Gulf War I. He was an atomic demolitions munitions security officer and a nuclear, biological and chemical defense officer. As a civilian analyst in Iraq last summer, he worked for an operations intelligence unit of the CPA in Iraq, and later, with the newly formed Ministry of Science and Technology, which was responsible for finding new, nonlethal employment for Iraqi WMD scientists.
In an interview with Insight and in an article he wrote for the online magazine AmericanThinker.com, Hanson examines reports from U.S. combat units and public information confirming that many of Iraq's CW stockpiles have indeed been found. Until now, however, journalists have devoted scant attention to this evidence, in part because it contradicts the story line they have been putting forward since the U.S.-led inspections began after the war.
But another reason for the media silence may stem from the seemingly undramatic nature of the "finds" Hanson and others have described. The materials that constitute Saddam's chemical-weapons "stockpiles" look an awful lot like pesticides, which they indeed resemble. "Pesticides are the key elements in the chemical-agent arena," Hanson says. "In fact, the general pesticide chemical formula (organophosphate) is the 'grandfather' of modern-day nerve agents."
The United Nations was fully aware that Saddam had established his chemical-weapons plants under the guise of a permitted civilian chemical-industry infrastructure. Plants inspected in the early 1990s as CW production facilities had been set up to appear as if they were producing pesticides - or in the case of a giant plant near Fallujah, chlorine, which is used to produce mustard gas.
When coalition forces entered Iraq, "huge warehouses and caches of 'commercial and agricultural' chemicals were seized and painstakingly tested by Army and Marine chemical specialists," Hanson writes. "What was surprising was how quickly the ISG refuted the findings of our ground forces and how silent they have been on the significance of these caches."
Caches of "commercial and agricultural" chemicals don't match the expectation of "stockpiles" of chemical weapons. But, in fact, that is precisely what they are. "At a very minimum," Hanson tells Insight, "they were storing the precursors to restart a chemical-warfare program very quickly." Kay and Duelfer came to a similar conclusion, telling Congress under oath that Saddam had built new facilities and stockpiled the materials to relaunch production of chemical and biological weapons at a moment's notice.
At Karbala, U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what appeared to be a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the drums were stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters - with unpleasant results. "More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman, and two Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve agent," Hanson says. "But later ISG tests resulted in a proclamation of negative, end of story, nothing to see here, etc., and the earlier findings and injuries dissolved into nonexistence. Left unexplained is the small matter of the obvious pains taken to disguise the cache of ostensibly legitimate pesticides. One wonders about the advantage an agricultural-commodities business gains by securing drums of pesticide in camouflaged bunkers 6 feet underground. The 'agricultural site' was also colocated with a military ammunition dump - evidently nothing more than a coincidence in the eyes of the ISG."
That wasn't the only significant find by coalition troops of probable CW stockpiles, Hanson believes. Near the northern Iraqi town of Bai'ji, where Saddam had built a chemical-weapons plant known to the United States from nearly 12 years of inspections, elements of the 4th Infantry Division found 55-gallon drums containing a substance identified through mass spectrometry analysis as cyclosarin - a nerve agent. Nearby were surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, gas masks and a mobile laboratory that could have been used to mix chemicals at the site. "Of course, later tests by the experts revealed that these were only the ubiquitous pesticides that everybody was turning up," Hanson says. "It seems Iraqi soldiers were obsessed with keeping ammo dumps insect-free, according to the reading of the evidence now enshrined by the conventional wisdom that 'no WMD stockpiles have been discovered.'"
At Taji - an Iraqi weapons complex as large as the District of Columbia - U.S. combat units discovered more "pesticides" stockpiled in specially built containers, smaller in diameter but much longer than the standard 55-gallon drum. Hanson says he still recalls the military sending digital images of the canisters to his office, where his boss at the Ministry of Science and Technology translated the Arabic-language markings. "They were labeled as pesticides," he says. "Gee, you sure have got a lot of pesticides stored in ammo dumps."
Again, this January, Danish forces found 120-millimeter mortar shells filled with a mysterious liquid that initially tested positive for blister agents. But subsequent tests by the United States disputed that finding. "If it wasn't a chemical agent, what was it?" Hanson asks. "More pesticides? Dish-washing detergent? From this old soldier's perspective, I gain nothing from putting a liquid in my mortar rounds unless that stuff will do bad things to the enemy."
The discoveries Hanson describes are not dramatic. And that's the problem: Finding real stockpiles in grubby ammo dumps doesn't fit the image the media and the president's critics carefully have fed to the public of what Iraq's weapons ought to look like.
A senior administration official who has gone through the intelligence reporting from Iraq as well as the earlier reports from U.N. arms inspectors refers to another well-documented allegation. "The Iraqis admitted they had made 3.9 tons of VX," a powerful nerve gas, but claimed they had never weaponized it. The U.N. inspectors "felt they had more. But where did it go?" The Iraqis never provided any explanation of what had happened to their VX stockpiles.
What does 3.9 tons of VX look like? "It could fit in one large garage," the official says. Assuming, of course, that Saddam would assemble every bit of VX gas his scientists had produced at a single site, that still amounts to one large garage in an area the size of the state of California.
Senior administration officials stress that the investigation will continue as inspectors comb through millions of pages of documents in Iraq and attempt to interview Iraqi weapons scientists who have been trained all their professional lives to conceal their activities from the outside world.
"The conditions under which the ISG is working are not very conducive," one official said. "But this president wants the truth to come out. This is not an exercise in spinning or censoring."
For more on WMD, read "Iraqi Weapons in Syria"
Kenneth R. Timmerman is a senior writer for Insight.
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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: Lando Lincoln
Both senior administration officials spoke to Insight on condition that neither their name nor their agency be identified, but their accounts of what the United States has found in Iraq coincided in every major area. Bahhahahahah!
"Yeah, we found the weapons...Don't tell anyone I told you...in fact, don't tell anyone that I work for the sewer district...just say I'm a `government employee'.
"You believe me, don't you?"
Oh man, they are really spinning now! This isn't even government spinning, this Insight Rag trying to keep the small population of true believers from losing faith. I didn't think the Wolfowitz/Perle/Cheney minions could get any more pathetic, but this proves they can.
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posted on
04/26/2004 10:15:06 AM PDT
by
clamboat
To: Lando Lincoln
btt
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posted on
04/26/2004 10:20:13 AM PDT
by
GailA
(Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
To: counterpunch
I saw it. I just disagree with it. September 15 to October 15 would be ideal, after the conventions are over, and candidates are set. Then the entire Democratic premise of "No WMDs Were Found!" is totally devastated. They would have ZERO credibility.
To: R. Scott; AFPhys
Oct 2003 - The vial of botulinum bacteria discovered in Iraq by U.S. arms inspectors which experts call the most poisonous substance known to man is "a weapon of mass destruction," the State Department's top spokesman announced yesterday."Botulinum kills people, it kills people in large quantities. Botulinum is a weapon of mass destruction, yes," said State spokesman Richard Boucher," according to an Agence France-Presse report. "Anything that destroys on a massive scale is a weapon of mass destruction."
The botulinum had been stored in a vial discovered in an Iraqi scientist's refrigerator, where it had been stored for safe keeping since 1993.
Noting that the vial of live botulinum bacteria had been hidden in an Iraqi scientist's home refrigerator, Kay, testifying before Congress, said the discovery "illustrates the point ... about the difficulty of locating small stocks of material that can be used to covertly surge production of deadly weapons."
According to Agence France-Presse, the Center for Civilian Bio-defense Strategies at Johns Hopkins University says: "Botulinum toxin is the single most poisonous substance known" and "poses a major bioweapons threat because of its extreme potency and lethality, its ease of production, transport and misuse, and the potential need for prolonged intensive care in affected persons."
WND
Excerpts from a Journal of the American Medical Association article on botulinum:
Botulinum toxin is the most poisonous substance known.6-7 A single gram of crystalline toxin, evenly dispersed and inhaled, would kill more than 1 million people, although technical factors would make such dissemination difficult.
Terrorists have already attempted to use botulinum toxin as a bioweapon. Aerosols were dispersed at multiple sites in downtown Tokyo, Japan, and at US military installations in Japan on at least 3 occasions between 1990 and 1995 by the Japanese cult Aum Shinriky. These attacks failed, apparently because of faulty microbiological technique, deficient aerosol-generating equipment, or internal sabotage.
After the 1991 Persian Gulf War, Iraq admitted to the United Nations inspection team to having produced 19 000 L of concentrated botulinum toxin, of which approximately 10 000 L were loaded into military weapons.22, 30 These 19 000 L of concentrated toxin are not fully accounted for and constitute approximately 3 times the amount needed to kill the entire current human population by inhalation. In 1990, Iraq deployed specially designed missiles with a 600-km range; 13 of these were filled with botulinum toxin, 10 with aflatoxin, and 2 with anthrax spores. Iraq also deployed special 400-lb (180-kg) bombs for immediate use; 100 bombs contained botulinum toxin, 50 contained anthrax spores, and 7 contained aflatoxin.22, 30 It is noteworthy that Iraq chose to weaponize more botulinum toxin than any other of its known biological agents.
More info, many links at:
JAMA
As David Kay stated...large stockpiles not required.
To: counterpunch
I saw it. I just disagree with it. September 15 to October 15 would be ideal, after the conventions are over, and candidates are set. Then the entire Democratic premise of "No WMDs Were Found!" is totally devastated. They would have ZERO credibility.
To: Lando Lincoln
Bookmarking bump!
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04/26/2004 10:28:15 AM PDT
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RottiBiz
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To: republicandiva
I was thinking you might want to post it...
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04/26/2004 10:36:02 AM PDT
by
LouD
(Fallujah Delenda Est)
To: counterpunch
Me too.
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posted on
04/26/2004 10:47:41 AM PDT
by
shield
(The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
To: clamboat
Oh man, they are really spinning now! This isn't even government spinning, this Insight Rag trying to keep the small population of true believers from losing faith. I didn't think the Wolfowitz/Perle/Cheney minions could get any more pathetic, but this proves they can. It cracks me up that people like you keep showing up on these threads - the same threads that list in detail all the items that back up the Administration, U.N. and numerous countries. You simply ignore the reams and reams of data, focus on one or two sentences in a lengthy article, and you claim the spinning is coming from others.
Ever heard of the term "projection?"
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04/26/2004 10:52:44 AM PDT
by
Coop
(Freedom isn't free)
To: TommyDale
Well, I just can't see "No WMDs Were Found!" is going to be a major theme for anyone except for the most radical Left.
It certainly won't be a major theme for John Kerry, who voted to invade Iraq and made numerous public statements emphatically stating that Saddam had WMDs, even writing in an op-ed in the New York Times that "the unrestrained threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein is unacceptable" and "There is also no question that Saddam Hussein continues to pursue weapons of mass destruction".
The fact is that John Kerry is going to avoid the subject of WMDs and the justification for war in Iraq like the plague because it hurts him far more than it hurts Bush. The vast majority of Bush's supporters support the President's decision on Iraq and believe that Saddam did indeed have WMDs. Kerry's supporters, on the otherhand, disagree with the Senator's vote for the Iraqi War Resolution by 71%.
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04/26/2004 10:53:05 AM PDT
by
counterpunch
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To: clamboat
Clamboat, Are you still a member of FR..?
I have a feeling you're account is no longer active, or will be shortly.
Sad that you managed to stay below the radar since 1999 and decided to blow your wad on this thread of all things.
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04/26/2004 10:59:59 AM PDT
by
counterpunch
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To: Lando Lincoln
At Karbala, U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what appeared to be a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the drums were stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters - with unpleasant results. "More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman, and two Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve agent," Hanson says. "But later ISG tests resulted in a proclamation of negative, end of story, nothing to see here, etc., and the earlier findings and injuries dissolved into nonexistence. Left unexplained is the small matter of the obvious pains taken to disguise the cache of ostensibly legitimate pesticides. One wonders about the advantage an agricultural-commodities business gains by securing drums of pesticide in camouflaged bunkers 6 feet underground. The 'agricultural site' was also colocated with a military ammunition dump - evidently nothing more than a coincidence in the eyes of the ISG." It was bizarre to have those camoflaged underground stores of chemicals declared 'mere pesticide' after it was given the star treatment. So what we have is a theory this was chemical weapons precursors that could quickly be converted in a conflict. Makes sense, as Iraq's chemical weapons were not stable and subject to degradation. That means it doesnt help to make the stuff before a war breaks out.
Meanwhile, the media will fall asleep.
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04/26/2004 11:06:01 AM PDT
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WOSG
(http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
To: PattonReincarnated
*yawn* If Bush wanted to trap anyone he should have done so by know. It would be criminally negligent to let the 'where are the WMDs?' line go unanswered for a *year*.
Nope. What we have is an ISG not getting all the answers. Bush doesnt know, and Timmerman's evidence *is* in the Kay and others' testimony. Its just not shared by the media.
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04/26/2004 11:08:03 AM PDT
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WOSG
(http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
To: clamboat
you are full of it.
Nothing in this article - the biotoxin samples, the BW labs in the prisons, the missile developments, and the Karbala find of "pesticides" that look suspiciously military - is "new" to those who read Kay's reports and other ISG reports carefully.
This stuff is in the public record!!! It's hidden from view by a biased media is all!
Your screeching about "true believers" misses the whole point.
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04/26/2004 11:14:50 AM PDT
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WOSG
(http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
To: Coop
"It cracks me up that people like you keep showing up on these threads - the same threads that list in detail all the items that back up the Administration, U.N. and numerous countries. You simply ignore the reams and reams of data, focus on one or two sentences in a lengthy article, and you claim the spinning is coming from others.
Ever heard of the term "projection?""
Coop, good zinger!
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04/26/2004 11:16:32 AM PDT
by
WOSG
(http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - I salute our brave fallen.)
To: AFPhys
It is also possible that there was some deterioration of the chemicals due to lack of refrigeration. Nevertheless, these stockpiles are indeed useable as chem weaponry.
They will not be seen as useable to our esteemed media until they are educated in a field other than journalism. Far too many people believe what they are told by the news readers - after all, they couldnt say it if it wasnt true
What is needed is a munitions dump found with chemical/bacterial shells fully loaded, armed and clearly labeled in Arabic and English This is a Weapon of Mass Destruction.
Of course, they would probably claim they were American shells.
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posted on
04/26/2004 11:18:50 AM PDT
by
R. Scott
(Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
To: Quilla
Now, I'll just sit here and hold my breath until the lamestream covers this.Please don't. I wouldn't want you to pass out.
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posted on
04/26/2004 11:40:08 AM PDT
by
exDemMom
(Think like a liberal? Oxymoron!)
To: rwfromkansas
But, the lede of the story makes it sound like lots of WMD have been found and the press is not reporting it. That is just not true. So you really think that all those "pesticides" were really "pesticides"?
"Reference strains" of a wide variety of biological-weapons agents were found beneath the sink in the home of a prominent Iraqi BW scientist." BIG WHOOP! So they had something with which they could restart their program with.
Actually I think that IS a BIG WHOOP. Why do you think it isn't?
A key part of the rationale for this war was that (a) the sanctions were going to end sooner rather than later due to propaganda blitz and political momentum going against them; (b) this would allow Saddam to re-start any programs he had dormant.
We stopped that from happening by invading.
[bio strains] It doesn't prove they had produced WMD's and had them right before or during our invasion.
Except of course for those "pesticides". And that shell with liquid "pesticides" inside it.
Furthermore, this article has a lot of "may" and "might" speculations about what things were used for. Yes, they probably were used for weapons, but may or might is not the same as WE CAN PROVE THEY WERE.
Yes, of course. All that crap really could have been "pesticides". Are you REALLY saying you buy that?
Look, when I started to read this article, I was a skeptic like you. But come ON how many "pesticides" did Iraq really need? It stretches credulity.
I guess I would say that you're right that none of this means "WE CAN PROVE" those things are WMDs. I think one of the points of this article is that our standard of "PROOF" has become so ridiculously high that it's literally IMPOSSIBLE to "PROVE" that something we find was a "WMD". Seriously: how would we "PROVE" it?
Naysayers can ALWAYS claim such and such "WMD" is a "pesticide"....
They do not support the conclusion that Iraq had WMD's at the time of our arrival and it is A LIE to say otherwise.
Two things.
1. You seem to have skipped over the whole discussion of finding "pesticides" in drums... in camoflaged bunkers..
2. Since when did whether they had WMD's "at the time of our arrival" become the issue? So what you're saying is, if they had "WMDs" in January, moved them to Syria in February, then because we invaded in March... Saddam should've gotten a clean bill o'health? Sorry but you've moved the goalpost to a very strange place...
To: spaceman spiff
Have you considered that we may not be announcing the finding of WMDs because we haven't found them ALL. At least some are likely to be in the hands of the "Insurgents." Not making the announcement deters the bad guys from using them against us and the Iraqi population in general. If we "find" WMDs, they can use them. Insightful, and something that had not previously occurred to me. Thanks!
To: Lando Lincoln
Who in the USA has the responsibility of saying whether or not something is pesticide or WMD's ... ? And, who's been making those pronouncements to the press for the past year .... ?
I've always wondered why you'd put "pesticides" in a warhead ... maybe for long distance grasshoppers?
Tilly
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posted on
04/26/2004 12:20:51 PM PDT
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Tilly
(Tilly)
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