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Michigan City Council OKs Muslim Prayer Over Loudspeaker
Fox News website ^ | April 21 | Associated press

Posted on 04/21/2004 11:17:44 AM PDT by righteousindignation

Hamtramck,Mich.--Over some residents' objections, the City Council voted unanimously Tuesday night to allow a mosque to send out a call to prayer to Muslims on a loudspeaker....five times a day.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: muslimamericans; muslims
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To: righteousindignation
I have just found this thread - having just heard about this last night - so I haven't read many of the responses.

I think everybody in that town should buy a poster (say 7 by 5 feet) of the burning twin towers in New York City and park it in their front yards as a reminder of what this wonderful 'religion of peace' did to us - with the words "We will not forget" on it. Should be an interesting scenario in that town!
241 posted on 04/22/2004 8:35:00 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: wingster; All
kmajewski@hamtramckcity.com
Karen Majewski, President
rcedar@hamtramckcity.com
Rob Cedar
ccirgenski@hamtramckcity.com
Chuck Cirgenski
sahmed@hamtramckcity.com
Shahab Ahmed (a Muslim who attends the same mosque--does the term "conflict of interest" mean anything to this guy?) He was first elected November 2003, so if you think their timing is coincidental, guess again).
sklein@hamtramckcity.com
Scott Klein

The names and email addresses to the dhimmis who caved to the catcalling.
242 posted on 04/22/2004 8:35:37 AM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices it.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Islam is not compatible with Western Civilization. It refuses to be tolerant of ANYTHING but its own dogma and wishes death to those who think different. These are simple facts that have been proven time and time again.

What seems like simple noise from a loud speaker to us
non-muslims is in reality their first strike against western civilization. Make no mistake. This mosque is NOT excercising its freedom of religion rights. Its marking its territory and might as well saying, ISLAM IS HERE, SO THERE, INFIDEL! What next? Maybe the good people of the local city council will pass an ordinance mandating all public places have an arrow pointing to mecca, so muslims will know which way is North...(many international airports already have this)

Islam doesnt assimilate it dominates.

243 posted on 04/22/2004 9:02:17 AM PDT by FeliciaCat (Life is to short for ugly shoes.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
On the level of hatred towards those of another religion, definitely. On the level of violence used when acting on that hatred, no -- at least not yet. Many Christians here are already advocating violence over what comes out of some loudspeakers.

First of all, I haven't seen any "advocations of violence," but if it did happen, the politicians would have brought this on themselves.

As well, use some stinkin' foresight here, would ya! Just open your eyes and take a look around the world! Do you think there's a reason why just about all the nations on the official list of nations suffering from the greatest human rights violations are all Muslim dominated religions???

And quite frankly, I'd rather see this violence of which you speak of now than in ten years such as is the case in the Middle East.

Until, which will be never due to the nature of Islam, muslims can learn to live in peace with people, I suggest highly that it simply not be tolerated!!! At All! Don't you understand that your own freedoms and perhaps even your life and for sure the lives of your children and children's children are on the line? Really. This isn't just some political football! Wake up! These people want to control you and force you to convert to Islam!

Alas, it'll take most people in this country complete subjection to muslims to figure that out! Well, I suppose I'll have to go down swinging if it comes to that!

But as to your ascertion, whatever it takes to nip this in the bud and stop it altogether should be done! If not, the consequences of this crap are far greater ranging than most people can even imagine right now and haven't a clue of.

I mean think about it for more than a few minutes! More muslims here means more mosques, means more places for domestic islamic muslim terrorists to hide. The feds can't handle what's going on now. How are they going to handle something widespread in this country???

What, the locals? I laugh! Those guys aren't capable of effectively handling minor league stuff in their own towns.

I'm tellin' you now, this is an ENORMOUS problem! Islam in this country must not be allowed to spread! If it does, just be prepared for very dangerous times in the States and a completely different looking U.S. in about 2015.

244 posted on 04/22/2004 9:13:51 AM PDT by wingster
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To: antiRepublicrat
Where do you think I got those quotes from? What, I made them up?

People need to start reading through the Quran. It's eye opening I tell ya. I have always heard about much of what it says and tended to dismiss my fellow 'right wing conspiracists' when they told me that it advocates openly the killing of Christians, Jews, and really any others who don't "convert to Islam" and a belief in "Allah."

So after 9/11 I read it myself from several sources to make sure they agreed! Guess what I found out? I found out that it's even worse than those fellow 'right wing conspiracists' told me!

Those quotes from above are directly from the Quran. If that isn't enough to scare the bejeebers out of Americans into taking some sort of action to put an immediate halt to Islam in this country, then I don't know what is and this country deserves what it has in a decade or two. Violence, terrorist activity originating en masse out of our own country, a country like the ME countries, and what very well may develop into a civil war.

Meanwhile, the muslims keep pushing their luck. Do what I'm gonna start doing when someone tells me their a muslim. Look them in the eyes and ask them to explain to you why they hate you (assuming you're a non-muslim)! Go ahead, ask, and then see what they say!

I'm sure it'll be like "I don't hate you ..." followed by a litany of soft nonsense. Well, it doesn't matter what they say, because their belief says that they do, or should. So then follow that up with 'why are you a muslim if you don't hate me' and agree with the Quran?

Good luck! It may not be long before questions like that are met with a bullet to your head.

245 posted on 04/22/2004 9:20:25 AM PDT by wingster
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To: DaiHuy
Well I guess the solution is to ring church bells simutaneously during the calls to "prayer" I mean hey if they can do it so can the Christians. Just make it a Christian call to prayer.

I cannot remember what city and state, but earlier this week on one of the cable news shows they reported that in some American community the citizens or city council was or had voted to stop a local christian church from their bell ringing.

246 posted on 04/22/2004 9:22:46 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: BayouCoyote
e-mail sent...
247 posted on 04/22/2004 9:34:00 AM PDT by wingster
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To: TexKat
You just don't get it, do ya!

Yeah, keep dwelling in the politics of the situation. Then someday, when bomb goes off in your kids own school, and you have to go collect his dead little pieces from the police, you enjoy it!

Ignorance is ruining this nation!

Go read the Quran. READ IT!

248 posted on 04/22/2004 9:35:44 AM PDT by wingster
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To: TexKat
You just don't get it, do ya!

Yeah, keep dwelling in the politics of the situation. Then someday, when bomb goes off in your kids own school, and you have to go collect his dead little pieces from the police, you enjoy it!

Ignorance is ruining this nation!

Go read the Quran. READ IT!

249 posted on 04/22/2004 9:35:45 AM PDT by wingster
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To: righteousindignation
The solution seems simple to me. Set up loudspeakers in every church in town and read Bible verses 5 times a day. Do it 10 or 15 minutes after the call to prayer so the muslims have some solid word of God to meditate upon...and it would be a service to the rest of the town as well.
250 posted on 04/22/2004 9:39:53 AM PDT by highlander_UW ("Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Benjamin Franklin)
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To: righteousindignation
"If this doesn't give comfort to the enemy, I don't know what does!!! If you are as apalled and upset over this as I am, please let me know!"

I'm letting you know. If this stands (not holding my breath for the ACLU or Barry Lind), we're in for some rough sledding.

251 posted on 04/22/2004 9:42:59 AM PDT by Paulie
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To: BayouCoyote
email sent....
252 posted on 04/22/2004 9:51:11 AM PDT by snapperjk (If you are a terror to many, then beware of many.)
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To: hunter112; Steve_Seattle
"It will be considered an infraction under this section to cause stationary, electrically-amplified sound that creates a sound pressure of over X decibels when measured at Y feet from the source upon the receipt of X complaints of citizens residing in homes within range, or owning or managing businesses within range, of hearing of such sound. Necessary emergency or police-related occurances are exempt from this clause."

Church bells (real ones), fire station and other alarms are exempted, as are ice cream trucks (not stationary). Electronic church bells are also good if no one complains. The Muslims better get their guy shouting from the minaret.
253 posted on 04/22/2004 9:58:35 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: wingster
I have always heard about much of what it says and tended to dismiss my fellow 'right wing conspiracists' when they told me that it advocates openly the killing of Christians, Jews, and really any others who don't "convert to Islam" and a belief in "Allah."

The Quran is internally conflicting. Those who war ignore commands to live in peace, while those who live in peace ignore commands to war. As with previous misuse of the Bible to justify various atrocities (and you can find support for them), those with hate in their hearts find justification in the Quran for their negative actions.

254 posted on 04/22/2004 10:10:34 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: wingster
I fear for my young son!

You should fear for your son, as ALL Americans should fear for their children, as the Islamic invasion continues unabated. I saw this situation coming YEARS ago, and chose not to have children, because I knew we were raising several generations of candy-*ss Americans that would cave to political correctness from every imaginable direction. Ignorance? You bet. "My people are DESTROYED for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6. it is no wonder that children will one day curse their parents for what has befallen them. You're a voice crying in the wilderness, wingster...at least you can go to your reward with your spine intact. You have my respect.

255 posted on 04/22/2004 10:10:36 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Under the personal care of the Great Physician...full coverage.)
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To: righteousindignation
For later reference ping....
256 posted on 04/22/2004 10:12:03 AM PDT by dmanLA
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To: wingster
First of all, I haven't seen any "advocations of violence," but if it did happen, the politicians would have brought this on themselves.

Funny, bin Laden says we brought 9/11 on ourselves. You don't recognize the similar thinking?

Do you think there's a reason why just about all the nations on the official list of nations suffering from the greatest human rights violations are all Muslim dominated religions???

Correlation != causation. Did you also notice that those countries tend to be non-democratic states? Since China, NK and Cuba also have abysmal rights records and are not Muslim, doesn't it make more sense to conclude that these countries' non-democratic status is more to blame than their religious status?

I'm tellin' you now, this is an ENORMOUS problem!

Actually, I'm more worried about America becoming a Christian theocracy than a Muslim one. A Muslim theocracy would be worse, but the chances of it hapenning are orders of magnitude less than the chances of a Christian one.

The only things we need to do are cut the financial ties between the radical Muslims and mosques in America and make Muslims in this country realize they have to obey the same laws as everyone else. Saudi-funded Wahabbi thinking is causing the anti-American sentiment you see coming from American mosques.

257 posted on 04/22/2004 10:21:48 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Iron Matron
All Arabs should suffer for their muslime brothers actions, until THEY CALL OUT AGAINTS IT!

So you'd persecute a Christian for what Muslims do just because of his ethnicity? I can't agree with that one.

258 posted on 04/22/2004 10:23:25 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Publius6961
You probably think that islam is a religion of peace too.

It can be, and is as practiced by some.

259 posted on 04/22/2004 10:24:36 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Christianity isn't leading the worldwide charge in moral and human rights atrocities either. Don't even debate this with me, you can't objectively win.

Besides, the Quran is the Quran. You are trying to spin it. It advocates violence in one form or others. It necessarily dictates that non-muslims pay a tax to the Islamic establishment. That is a fact. It necessarily places anyone but muslims in a lower societal status. It necessarily forces those same people to essentially serve muslims.

It clearly does not provide for the freedom to pursue happiness as outlined in the founding documents of this country. Ergo, it is completely and utterly incompatible with the United States way of life and of freedom in general.

My question to Muslims who don't agree with the "violence" stuff in the Quran is "why are you muslim then?" Either you are muslim and you agree with the Quran, or you are not!

And to your point, where is the outrage amongst all these "peaceful" muslims at what their "violent" counterparts are doing? Surely they are upset at that! No? Where's the outrage! Where's the calls for shame?!?! Feel free to post ALL the links!

260 posted on 04/22/2004 10:25:04 AM PDT by wingster
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