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To: antiRepublicrat
Christianity isn't leading the worldwide charge in moral and human rights atrocities either. Don't even debate this with me, you can't objectively win.

Besides, the Quran is the Quran. You are trying to spin it. It advocates violence in one form or others. It necessarily dictates that non-muslims pay a tax to the Islamic establishment. That is a fact. It necessarily places anyone but muslims in a lower societal status. It necessarily forces those same people to essentially serve muslims.

It clearly does not provide for the freedom to pursue happiness as outlined in the founding documents of this country. Ergo, it is completely and utterly incompatible with the United States way of life and of freedom in general.

My question to Muslims who don't agree with the "violence" stuff in the Quran is "why are you muslim then?" Either you are muslim and you agree with the Quran, or you are not!

And to your point, where is the outrage amongst all these "peaceful" muslims at what their "violent" counterparts are doing? Surely they are upset at that! No? Where's the outrage! Where's the calls for shame?!?! Feel free to post ALL the links!

260 posted on 04/22/2004 10:25:04 AM PDT by wingster
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To: wingster
It advocates violence in one form or others.

So does the Bible.

It necessarily dictates that non-muslims pay a tax to the Islamic establishment.

In Muslim-controlled countries. I'm not saying that's right, it's a law for ancient times that should be discarded as many Christians have discarded their old laws.

It necessarily places anyone but muslims in a lower societal status. It necessarily forces those same people to essentially serve muslims.

That got fairly interesting in practice, as the non-Muslims eventually took up a whole essential strata of society and became in themselves important to the functioning of the society. But back then at least the Christians weren't being slaughtered as heretics by other Christians. To them alive with taxes was better than dead.

It clearly does not provide for the freedom to pursue happiness as outlined in the founding documents of this country.

As far as Shari'a goes, it is. Many Christian-based laws that I see as infringing on our rights have been upheld. It's just a different set of laws. That's just an objective point of view. Of course I wouldn't prefer this country be run on Muslim laws -- the Christian ones are bad enough. But I'm sure you'd probably like the prohibitions against adultery and homosexuality.

My question to Muslims who don't agree with the "violence" stuff in the Quran is "why are you muslim then?" Either you are muslim and you agree with the Quran, or you are not!

Do you still think mass genocide, rape and slavery are good things? That's in the Old Testament. But I know Christ came along and changed things, so you think women should keep their heads covered in church, not speak up, and be completely subordinate to men, their play toys in essence? Do you think women should not be allowed to teach? Do you think women should not be allowed to braid their hair or wear jewelry? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you think those are not good ideals, but they are in the New Testament. But how can you claim you are a Christian if you don't follow such misogyny?

And to your point, where is the outrage amongst all these "peaceful" muslims at what their "violent" counterparts are doing?

It's there, but it doesn't hit the news much. I've even seen a few articles like that on FR.

269 posted on 04/22/2004 11:02:22 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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