[Coop]

I'm more interested in knowing how many American military personnel Kerry helped kill after returning home.

[zencat]

Nine months and only twenty kills!?!

I could beat that before finishing my first cup of coffee.

[FReepaholic]

>>...in a glowing 1969 Navy report that noted Kerry, a 25-year-old junior grade lieutenant, exhibited "all of the traits desired of an officer in a combat environment." ...<<

No so glowing after all, it would seem. Check out this thread:

Kerry Sandbagged Into Releasing Bad Performance Report From Navy Service In Vietnam

[Punditstar]

I suspect the 20 kills is higly inflated. This guy's whole record is a complete fraud.

[Nip]

What sKerry released is a "Officer’s Efficiency Report" (OER).

Remember that Vietnam was a war of numbers - body counts, sorties
flown, bombs dropped, numbers --numbers --- numbers. Thank you
McNamara.

Having run a squadron (USAF) OER shop for a couple of years and
processed over 150 of those durn things each year I know that an OER
is NOT an accurate assessment of an officer’s performance.

The tip off, for me, was the phrase "unconfirmed" If you put a number in
an OER you were expected to document it. Besides, unless he was
serving as a gunner on his swift boat (his OER says commander) how
could he personally kill Mr. Charles? I suspect that the body count
quoted is for the entire crew or, his "share".

Let's see - 20 bodies in three months = 7 a month. Or, roughly a body
every four or five days. That's heavy combat?

[ATrueConservativeMan]

It seems to me this is a really bad argument for Republicans to be engaging in. The Kerry camp is clearly doing a Briar (sp.?) rabbit schtick here. "Oh, do we really have to release Senator Kerry's military records? Are you sure you want to see them? Well, OK then..."

[Post Toasties]

Probably most were backshot women and children.

[anonymous_user]

I actually did not kill these 20 people, before I killed them.

[Saundra Duffy]

Well shut my mouth! I wonder if the peace-niks are real proud of this killer. LOL!

[AgThorn]

not sure how this can be a 'smoking gun' ... i.e. this is writen in his report as a credit to his bravery. The fact that it's 'unofficial' makes it non-news though for Kerry.

[antiRepublicrat]

I used to deal with lots of OERs in the Army, and I don't know how much this reflects on Navy back then, but there are two main things here. Most junior officers score in or near the top rankings if they are any good at all. Senior officers almost always score in the top ranking unless their career is over. Second, most of that earlier stuff didn't mean much, while only the bit at the end for the senior officer's rating was really meaningful.

[knuthom]

I never knew his middle name was FORBES. No wonder he doesn't use it.

[Lokibob]

This is a terrible OER!!!!! Any officer receiving this OER has just had his career ruined.!!!!

During those times, every trait HAD to be to the left, maxed out.

Waht really bothers me are the character traits that need work. Listed below:


Professional Knowledge--
Loyality The commander questions his loyality??
Force
Industry --- You have to be pretty lazy.
Analitical ability --- Noted by his bad decision getting off his boat during a fire fight.
Behaviour --- what the hell did Kerry do to be knocked down in behaviour?? It had to be serious!!!
Military Bearing --- Look at the picture of him in uniform on his web site to see why this is an issue.
Self Expression Oral
Self Expression Written

And even Judgement is questioned!!!!

[jmstein7]

BUMP!

[Spok]

Based on his own testimony, may we assume these were all civilians and he took their ears home?