White Male Guilt 101

Men's News Daily ^ | April 19, 2004 | Bernard Chapin

[goldstategop]

To liberals white males real crime is being Republican.

[Restorer]

Then, between 1861 and 1865, 600,000 whites died in the process of freeing them.

To be perfectly fair, about 40% of these deaths were among those fighting to prevent the freeing of the slaves. Also the 600,000 includes a significant percentage of blacks who died fighting for the North, and a very small percentage who died fighting for the South.

[presidio9]

In the spirit of quibbling, how many blacks died fighting for the North?

[jonno]

Great article - thanks for the post!

[theDentist]

Now that was well worth reading. I'm saving a copy to re-read again and again.

[momfirst]

Wonderful article! Refreshing to see someone say it like it is.

[Attention Surplus Disorder]

I'm thinking about starting to publish a magazine for trans-sexuals trying to overcome their overly feminist tendencies. The working title so far is "She-it".

[american spirit]

Two of the most absurd notions of our time are "white male guilt" and "hate crimes" (which surprise, surprise only seems to be discussed when ever there's even a slight hint a crime was committed by a white person upon a minority......and ALMOST NEVER brought up when it's black on white).

[A Jovial Cad]

I'm getting patriarchal urges just reading this. [sarcasm/]

This silliness is rampant on our college campuses, that's for sure. But it's even seeping down into our grade schools. My daughter brought home a sheet from her elementary school at the start of the school year that was headlined "It takes an entire village to educate a child"; it was addressed to "Dear Patron" (not parent/guardian); and it was larded with a lot of P.C. catchphrases and nonsense. And my kids informed me that Dodge Ball, Red Rover, Tag, and hide n' go seek had all been formally banned on the playground, because (they were told) someone always felt "left out" or "excluded" when those games where played. Truly disgusting.

[FourPeas]

Should you so choose, would you be legally allowed to marry the person with whom you are currently dating (or any person you have dated) in any state, country, or provincee of the world?

I wish the author had expanded his answer. Should I be allowed to marry the person I'm currently dating..if they're a corpse? OK, assuming they're not a corpse, what about if they're already married? And, their current spouse isn't in the loop? Does that matter?

[GOPJ]

The man who wrote this "gets it". Wow.

In this country, we once practiced slavery which meant that whites (and also freed blacks) owned black slaves. Then, between 1861 and 1865, 600,000 whites died in the process of freeing them. Some whites look back at slavery and feel guilt about it. What good does that accomplish? I never enslaved anyone. It’s preposterous. Slavery was a great evil that affected all cultures across the globe but was not a “white” or European phenomenon. Nowadays if you want to find slaves and slavery you’d have to visit an African place like the Sudan. It’s been banished from all parts of the western world.

[Restorer]

In the spirit of quibbling, how many blacks died fighting for the North?

About 18% of Union combatants died. Applying that percentage to the about 200,000 blacks (approximately 10% of the Union total) who served gives us about 35,000 blacks who died. Haven't been able to find a source that breaks black deaths out separately.

BTW, better than 1/3 of Confederate combatants died during the war. More men on both sides were killed by disease than by combat.

[presidio9]

[Euro-American Scum]

To liberals white males real crime is being Republican.

To liberals, white males real crime is just. . . being (unless they're gay, of course).

[GOPJ]

I can't make the link work. Do you have another site address? Thnaks.

[presidio9]

About 18% of Union combatants died. Applying that percentage to the about 200,000 blacks (approximately 10% of the Union total) who served gives us about 35,000 blacks who died. Haven't been able to find a source that breaks black deaths out separately.

I will be the first to admit that I am no expert on this, but I was under the impression that very few of the free blacks who enlisted were given combat roles. First, because a lot of the whites refused to fight next to them, and second because the Confederacy threatened to execute all black prisoners.

Triva note: Presidio9 attended the same high school as Col. Robert Shaw, the Union officer Matthew Broderick portrayed in the film "Glory."

[Restorer]

It is true that comparatively few blacks were given combat roles. However, it is reasonable to suppose that their sanitary and medical facilities were skimped. Certainly they were paid less than white troops for most of the war. Therefore, I would suspect that a slightly higher death rate from disease would not be unreasonable. Combining a higher death rate from disease and a lower combat death rate, I would be surprised if black mortality rates were not comparable to white rates overall.

[presidio9]

Try going to the Main Page and then clicking on the link for the article there. Bernie Chapin is also published on several other websites.

[Restorer]

According to this website, Union black deaths totaled 37,000, almost exactly what I suggested above.

http://www.njstatelib.org/NJ_Information/Digital_Collections/AAHCG/unit6.html

However, it is obviously an "ain't white racism awful" site. I'd take their numbers with a grain of salt. For instance, they claim blacks were used as "cannon fodder," and therefore had a higher death rate, even though from other sources it is easy to see that their death rates were very similar to those of white soldiers.