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Vast and Deadly Fleets May Yield Secrets at Last (Freedom Over Tyranny Alert)
New York Times ^ | April 20, 2004 | WILLIAM J. BROAD

Posted on 04/20/2004 8:06:37 AM PDT by presidio9

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To: classicalguy
they were quite devout Zoroastrians, rather dedicated to killing the Christian Romans.

It seems to me the Iranians I know aren't privy to that fact. They just claim their ancestry to be Christian.

Could it be that their enemy bent on slaughtering them just happened to be Christian also?

From what you said Rome was the aggressor, the guys who decide they wanted someone else's space. Not sure why you would blame the Iranians / Persians for this. Right now we are scrambling and praying to protect our own little plot on this planet from aggresors.

I really don't know. Someday I'll work on googling this conundrum but any links you can provide to support your assertions would be appreciated.

21 posted on 04/22/2004 6:21:20 PM PDT by lizma
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22 posted on 04/22/2004 6:24:40 PM PDT by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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"But the present-day Persians have almost completely abandoned their old ways [...] ever since they have come under the spell of the doctrines of Zoroaster the son of Ahura-Mazda" The historian Agathias, wrote this in Constantinople in the 6th century CE. The source is from "Readings in Late Antiquity," edited by Michael Maas. And it simplifies the situation too much to say that either the Roman or the Persian power was the aggressor. They were essentially at constant war for four hundred years, both after power and territory. I wasn't blaming either side; rather, I was just saying that Persia wasn't actually Christian.
23 posted on 04/26/2004 5:53:37 PM PDT by classicalguy
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A persian I know once told me, "Persia was the hub of trade and technology(for that time) then the vild (wild) people (arabs) came and destroyed everything."

Those vile vild people do lots of that. It's about the only thing they are good at...

24 posted on 04/26/2004 6:02:08 PM PDT by null and void (I was told I needed to see a shrink because of my compulsive interest in nanotechnology...)
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To: presidio9
Herodotus says there were 1,700,000 men in Xerxes' land army (that's not counting the fleet or cooks, porters, and other non-combatants)...no wonder scholars think his numbers are inflated.
25 posted on 04/26/2004 6:13:48 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Sam the Sham
Mark Twain, in the "acknowledgements" to one of his lesser-known works (The Horse's Tale) has this to say of Herodotus:

Along through the book I have distributed a few anachronisms and unborn historical incidents and such things, so as to help the tale over the difficult places. This idea is not original with me; I got it out of Herodotus. Herodotus says, "Very few things happen at the right time, and the rest do not happen at all: the conscientious historian will correct these defects."

26 posted on 04/26/2004 6:18:34 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Sam the Sham
In the Book of Esther the villain is Haman the son of Hammedatha, the Agagite, who plots to destroy the Jews. In the ancient Greek translation of Esther, he is called a Macedonian instead of an Agagite (9:24).
27 posted on 04/26/2004 6:33:42 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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28 posted on 08/15/2005 8:34:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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Vast and Deadly Fleets May Yield Secrets at Last
New York Times | April 20, 2004 | William J. Broad
Posted on 07/25/2004 6:26:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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29 posted on 08/15/2005 8:35:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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The Persian Wars
By: Professor Livio C. Stecchini
Saturday, January 01, 2005
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/persian_wars6.php

"Herodotos reports that the fleet consisted of 1207 triremes and 3000 lesser fighting ships and supply ships (VII 89, 184). The figure of 1207 triremes is itemized by specifying the number of ships contributed by the several subjects and allies of the Persian Empire (VIII 89-95). Nobody has succeeded in proving that any of these partial figures is questionable; the contributions made by the Greek subjects of Persia corresponds to what we know to have been their naval strength in other episodes of Greek history. Herodotos' figures are confirmed by several other sources. The historian Diodoros (XI 3) states that the triremes were 1200 at the time of the muster at Doriskos; the orator Lysias (II 27) mentions an initial force of 1200 triremes, whereas the orator Isokrates mentions 1300 triremes at the beginning of the campaign (VII 49) and 1200 on the eve of the battle of Salamis (IV 93); Plato (Laws, III 699 B) speaking in general terms refers to 'one thousand ships and more.' In order to find a trace of disagreement it is necessary to refer to the narrative of the historian Ktesias, as summarized by the Byzantine writers of the ninth century, Photios; in this text the figure of the triremes is given as 1000, but the text contains such an accumulation of obviously wrong information that either Ktesias or Photios must be dismissed as totally unreliable."


30 posted on 08/15/2005 8:37:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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Persian Fire: The First World Empire and the Battle for the West by Tom Holland

31 posted on 09/04/2005 7:26:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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from April.

Shadows in the Desert: Ancient Persia at War Shadows in the Desert:
Ancient Persia at War

by Kaveh Farrokh


32 posted on 12/27/2006 6:17:34 PM PST by SunkenCiv (I updated my profile Saturday, December 23, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Some of their ancestors were Christians. Christians were never dominant and always lived under some restrictions, never so onerous under the Pre Mohammedan Zoroastrian rulers as later under the various caliphs, sultans, and shahs. Christians were often physicians and advisers to the king.


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35 posted on 03/15/2013 7:55:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Note: this topic is from 4/20/2004. Thanks presidio9. Another update.

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