Document: Oklahoma City Bombing Was Taped

AP via Yahoo! ^ | April 19, 2004 | John Solomon

[RippleFire]

WASHINGTON - A Secret Service document written shortly after the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing described security video footage of the attack and witness testimony that suggested Timothy McVeigh (news - web sites) may have had accomplices at the scene.

"Security video tapes from the area show the truck detonation 3 minutes and 6 seconds after the suspects exited the truck," the Secret Service reported six days after the attack on a log of agents' activities and evidence in the Oklahoma investigation.

The government has insisted McVeigh drove the truck himself and that it never had any video of the bombing or the scene of the Alfred P. Murrah building in the minutes before the April 19, 1995, explosion.

Several investigators and prosecutors who worked the case told The Associated Press they had never seen video footage like that described in the Secret Service log.

The document, if accurate, is either significant evidence kept secret for nine years or a misconstrued recounting of investigative leads that were often passed by word of mouth during the hectic early days of the case, they said.

"I did not see it," said Danny Defenbaugh, the retired FBI (news - web sites) agent who ran the Oklahoma City probe. "If it shows what it says, then it would be significant."

Secret Service spokesman Charles Bopp declined to discuss the video footage reference, saying it would be addressed by witnesses later this week at the capital murder trial of McVeigh co-defendant Terry Nichols. "It is anticipated Secret Service employees will testify in court concerning these matters," he said.

Other documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service in late 1995 gave prosecutors several computer disks of enhanced digital photographs of the Murrah building, intelligence files on several subjects in the investigation and a file detailing an internal affairs inquiry concerning an agent who reconstructed key phone evidence against McVeigh.

"These abstract sheets are sensitive documents which we have protected from disclosure in the past," said a Secret Service letter that recounted discussions in late 1995 with federal prosecutors on what evidence would be turned over to defense lawyers.

Lawyers for Nichols say they have never been given the security video, photo disks or internal investigative file referenced in the documents.

The trial judge has threatened to dismiss the death penalty case if evidence was withheld. McVeigh was executed in 2001 on a separate federal conviction. Nichols was sentenced to life in prison on federal charges before being tried by the state this year.

The government has maintained for years that McVeigh parked the Ryder rental truck carrying a massive fertilizer bomb outside the Murrah building and left alone in a getaway car he parked around the corner. The bombing killed more than 160 people.

The only video prosecutors introduced at trial showed the Ryder truck without any visible passengers as it passed a security camera inside a high-rise apartment building a block away from the Murrah building.

But the Secret Service log reported on April 24 and April 25, 1995, that there was security footage showing the Ryder truck pulling up to the Murrah building. The log does not say where such video came from or who possessed it.

A log entry on April 25 states that the security footage allowed agents to determine the time that elapsed between suspects leaving the truck and the explosion.

An entry a day earlier on the same log reported that the security video was consistent with a witness' account that he saw McVeigh's getaway car in the lead before a woman guided the truck to its final parking spot in front of the Murrah building.

"A witness to the explosion named Grossman claimed to have seen a pale yellow Mercury car with a Ryder truck behind it pulling up to the federal building," the log said. The witness "further claimed to have seen a woman on the corner waving to the truck."

A Secret Service agent named McNally "noted that this fact is significant due to the fact that the security video shows the Ryder truck pulling up to the Federal Building and then pausing (7 to 10 seconds) before resuming into the slot in front of the building," the log said. "It is speculated that the woman was signaling the truck when a slot became available."

Defenbaugh said the FBI had talked to several witnesses suggesting two people had left the truck, but prosecutors never introduced the scenario at trial because it couldn't be corroborated. That's why a new security video would be significant, he said.

"It would have taken the investigation in a very specific direction," Defenbaugh said. "Rather than having to go down an eight-lane highway during rush hour, we would have gone down a faster path with just two or four lanes."

Defenbaugh said the FBI kept a log similar to the Secret Service document inside the Oklahoma City investigation command center that might help solve the mystery of the video. Justice officials declined to discuss documents, citing the ongoing Nichols' trial.

In addition to the witness mentioned in the Secret Service document, a woman working in Murrah's Social Security (news - web sites) office who was rescued from the rubble and a driver outside the building both reported to the FBI seeing two men leave the truck, according to government documents.

The Secret Service (news - web sites) log contained other information about the case — including that McVeigh made 30 calls to an Illinois gun dealer in the months before the attacks to seek dynamite and that the gun dealer subsequently failed a lie detector test. The Secret Service lost six employees in McVeigh's bombing, the single largest loss in agency history.

Nichols' attorneys last week asked the judge to dismiss the case on grounds the government withheld evidence, including the security video footage.

New documents obtained by AP show the Secret Service provided prosecutors other evidence that may not have been provided to defense lawyers, including a file showing the Secret Service agent who reconstructed crucial phone evidence against McVeigh was subjected to an internal affairs investigation and eventually cleared for her conduct in the case.

FBI officials say that file details allegations the agent wrongly collected grand jury-subpoenaed phone information about McVeigh's calls without FBI knowledge, and kept it for weeks while she produced analysis that helped the investigation.

The internal investigation caused complications for prosecutors. They decided it tainted the agent as a witness and they chose instead to hire an outside expert to re-do the phone analysis for trial, officials said.

Bopp said the Secret Service did nothing wrong.

"The Secret Service worked cooperatively with the FBI and other federal state and local law enforcement throughout the investigation," Bopp said. "The expertise of the Secret Service on electronic crimes and telecommunications provided unique and timely information to the ongoing investigation."

On the Net:

The FBI: http://www.fbi.gov

The documents obtained by The Associated Press can be viewed at http://wid.ap.org/documents/okc/okcdoc2.pdf

[archy]

Did he also know at the time he admitted this that they may of had video of him exiting the vehicle? If this tape exists, and it depicts others involved at the scene, all hell is going to break loose and it'll prove McVeigh was doing what most soldiers do when captured.

And that those in the federal government not only knew who *John Doe Two* was, but actively assisted him in escaping the investigation. Presumably, under orders from above.

Was there any other eyewitnesses to individuals in or around that yellow Ryder truck? Yes.
On May 23, 1997, during the trial, Daina Bradley testified. She was trapped in the building for five hours and had to have her leg amputated. Her mother, son and daughter were killed; her sister badly injured. She was there to get her son's social security number and an appointment for SSI. What can anyone say to Ms. Bradley about her loss? The Social Security office was on the first floor.

Mrs. Bradley was compelled to testify under a subpoena issued by the defense:

Q. All right. Did you tell them that you observed an individual get out of the passenger side of the vehicle?

A. Yes.

Q. Okay. And did you give them a description of the person?

A. Yeah.

Q. All right. And what did you tell them about the person that got out of the vehicle? Do you recall?

A. I recall telling them that -- that it was a olive-complexion man with short hair, curly, clean-cut. He had on a blue Starter jacket, blue jeans, and tennis shoes and a white hat with purple flames.

Q. All right. And did you tell him that -- or tell them that he was wearing a baseball cap?

A. Yes.

Q. And did you also tell them when you talked to them on May the 3d and 4th that you observed him from a side view?

A. Yes.

Q. And did you also tell the FBI what this person did when he got out of the Ryder truck?

A. Yes.

Q. And what did you tell them?

A. I had told him that -- I told them that he had got out of the truck, went to the back of the truck, and proceeded to walk very fast forward in front of the truck. He went back on the sidewalk and left.

www.devvy.com/mcveigh3_20010625.html

ANIMATION *HERE*

[jbstrick]

"yes, but Conservababe, do you remember Mike McCarville broadcasting on KTOK that the FBI was looking for a brown chevy pickup carrying three (3) middle eastern men?"

Actually, I remember hearing it on the scanner several times. I lived at 144th and Penn at the time of the event. I had several scanners running because it is a hobby. As soon as I heard and felt the explosion, I turned on the scanners. I did not turn them off for days.

[archy]

I was listening to Glen Beck and he had Jeana Davis on. She said that the drawing of the John Doe #2 that everyone thought looked like Jose Padilla is actually Hussain Hashem Al-Hussaini.

Do you know know if there is a picture of this Al Hussaini anywhere, because I say the drawing looks like Jose Padilla also? In fact somewhere there is a picture where it morphs from the drawing to Jose Padilla.

See also the animation in post #201.

[Doc On The Bay]

HHmmmnn; Let's SUPPOSE THAT us "Whacko-Conspirathy-Theorists" were even, Slightly, right.

Let's Suppose That Saddam "Took Down the Murrah Building," & "Al Queda" Shot Down Flight 800.

& Let's Suppose That--at some "Ultra-Secret Level,"--"W" Knows That.

"W'"s current Behavior SURE MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE!

Whatever!

I SURE TRUST "W" to "Make the Right Decisions" FAR MORE than I Trust John Kerry.

Sadly, Mr Kerry has Repeatedly Shown that he would GLADLY Sacrifice another to "Save His Skinny Ass!!" (So Others who have Dealt with Him Have Reported.)

I Belirve "W" is Reluctant to Reveal the INCOMPETENCE of the Clinton Administration--Largely out of "Compassion!"

If the "Clintonista's" are Barely Competent, They will NOT reveal HOW MUCH we Know of "AlQueda," & how Much we know of their prior activities.

I Believe "Saddam's" Destruction was VERY MUCH related to Oklahoma, & I believe that we are NOW "Exacting a Price" for TWA800.

The REAL "Problem Is," that the "American People" Don't Know "The Game."--& we Don't Understand the "Parameters" of the "Game!"

So Much has been kept "Secret" from us, that we Don't EVEN KNOW "Which Side We're On!!"

It's TIME that our "Leaders Simply TOLD US,-- "What's Going On!!"

WE're the "Good Guys!!"--We OUGHT TO be able to make the "Right Decisions!"

Doc

[glock rocks]

Hmmm. wonder what that left leg knew of shape charges.

[archy]

[CyberAnt]

someone in Washington called the FBI in Oklahoma City and issued a two-word directive on its investigation into Islamic terrorism: "Kill it"

[nuconvert]

I remember there being another suspect, but I don't recall ever hearing this much detail. [the OKC families must be aware of this]
Very strange......but look who we were dealing with......Clinton

[Imal]

The stench of federal government treachery against the people of the United States in the case of the Oklahoma City bombing continues to waft over the nation like a fetid, toxic cloud.

If our government lies to us, it does not represent us.

Let's see the truth for a change.

[Carry_Okie]

You were saying?

[Lael]

BTTT!!

[The Mayor]

I wish I could post the 4 hour documentary I have on the OKC bombing..

Lots more needs to come out, I just wish they didn't turn mc veighs lights out.

[nuconvert]

wow.......thanks

[archy]

Hmmm. wonder what that left leg knew of shape charges.

Or the telephone line routing in the target building, a very useful way to arrange simultaneous detonation of internal demolition charges.

[CyberAnt]

The "RAT media" may be ignoring it, but the rest of the media isn't.

Tonight, here in San Diego, Roger Hedgecock was talking about all the Gorelick involvement in OKC, TWA 800, and all the rest of it. Roger has about 2 mil audience here in San Diego County, with a population of 3 mil.

The partisan media may think they can hide this, but it won't work anymore. Brit and his group are convinced that if Gorelick is not removed, the whole commission has lost its' credibility. And .. the little kissy face with Kean is really rubbing me the wrong way.

There's a couple of threads here asking people to email the commission, and their congress people and tell them that if Gorelick will not step down - then the commission is basically irrelevent.

[nuconvert]

NO, I didn't know that

[glock rocks]

Ashcroft on FoxNews with Hannity right now.

[eternity]

ABC,CBS,NBC,MSNBC. They all contain the letter C. And what does C stand for? CONTROL!!!