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Moose meat tastes funny and it's Bush's fault again.
1 posted on 04/16/2004 12:46:34 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
A moose once bit my sister...
2 posted on 04/16/2004 12:47:59 PM PDT by presidio9 (Boston Sucks)
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To: Alouette
just put some cheese on it and it will taste just fine...
3 posted on 04/16/2004 12:48:58 PM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: Alouette; BlueLancer
The stuff of nightmares, runni møøse mårrow.
4 posted on 04/16/2004 12:51:30 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Alouette; camle
Moose meat tastes funny and it's Bush's fault again.

I guess I might never get to try these delicious moose recipes.
Darn you, Bush!!!

5 posted on 04/16/2004 12:51:56 PM PDT by Constitution Day (FR needs your support... Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: thackney
Moose meat ping.
8 posted on 04/16/2004 12:54:45 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Alouette
[ Warming Climate Disrupts Alaska Natives' Lives (Moose meat doesn't taste the same) ]

Does too.

11 posted on 04/16/2004 12:56:45 PM PDT by hosepipe
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To: Alouette
It's always tasted funny. Nasty is more the word.
14 posted on 04/16/2004 12:58:01 PM PDT by knak
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To: Alouette
Moose hot dogs are the best!!
16 posted on 04/16/2004 12:59:15 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Alouette
He cited the cost -- estimated at over $100 million -- of moving Shishmaref, an Inupiat Eskimo village on Alaska's northwestern coastline, to more stable ground. The village of 600

That's $167K per person. I don't think so...

17 posted on 04/16/2004 12:59:50 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: Alouette
It's the End of the World as we know it
It's the End of the World as we know it
It's the End of the World as we know it
And I feel fiiiiiiiine!
19 posted on 04/16/2004 1:00:06 PM PDT by theDentist (JOHN KERRY never saw a TAX he would not HIKE !)
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To: Alouette
"Moose meat tastes funny"

No, clowns taste funny.


21 posted on 04/16/2004 1:03:33 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Alouette
Global warming is believed to result from pollutants emitted into the atmosphere, which trap the Earth's radiant heat and create a greenhouse effect. The warming is more dramatic in polar latitudes because cold air is dry, allowing greenhouse gases to trap more solar radiation. Even a modest rise in temperature can thaw the glaciers and permafrost that cover much of Alaska.

This statement alone renders the writer suspect. Water vapor is a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2. That's why moist nights are warmer than dry ones. That's why desert temperatures can drop from the 100s to near freezing overnight. Persons not knowing something as basic as this have no business writing 'scientific' articles.

24 posted on 04/16/2004 1:06:38 PM PDT by Gulf War One
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To: Alouette
This worries me. One can BS Al Gore. One can BS the public using climate models. It is much harder to BS glaciers or permafrost or sea ice.

I wonder how they got the number of $100 million to move Shishmaref. It's certainly out in the boonies, in an area where everything comes in by air or on a few barges during the summer. But $100 million?
25 posted on 04/16/2004 1:08:45 PM PDT by omega4412
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To: Alouette
I had some moose meat stew on saturday that was just awesome. My daughters loved it too, but my wife damn near puked when she found out it was moose. lol
27 posted on 04/16/2004 1:10:07 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (Stay safe in the "sandbox", cuz!)
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To: Alouette
There you have it gang. Super-cold weather is good for you. Hey, bring on that fifty below weather which we up here in the midwest love so well. How did humans and animals make it through that period of four hundred years when Greenland was settled and average temps were much higher? More of the-sky-is-falling junk science.
31 posted on 04/16/2004 1:25:34 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Alouette
So Global Warming is just fact now? When did THAT happen??
37 posted on 04/16/2004 1:52:07 PM PDT by waverna (I shall do neither. I have killed my captain...and my friend.)
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To: Alouette
They can move to England. Apparently the UK's going to have a big freeze because of global warming...
38 posted on 04/16/2004 2:23:34 PM PDT by pau1f0rd
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To: Alouette
Nothing’s Changed

Major systematic problems in general circulation models (GCMs) are apparent in the discrepancy between observed temperature trends in the lower atmosphere and the trend predicted by the models. As long as these problems persist, GCMs cannot provide reliable estimates of future climate conditions.

The longstanding benchmark time series of temperatures in the middle to lower atmosphere is that developed by University of Alabama-Huntsville (UAH) scientists John Christy and Roy Spencer. It employs measurements made by microwave sounding units (MSUs) carried aloft on NASA satellites. As the satellites orbit the earth, the MSUs observe microwave emissions from oxygen molecules in the earth’s atmosphere. The emissions vary depending on the temperature of the emitting molecule. Thus, they provide an accurate indication of atmospheric temperature and are real-world observations.

The UAH record indicates that the temperature of the middle atmosphere (at an altitude of about 15,000 feet) has warmed only at a rate of +0.03°C (±0.05°C) per decade in the 25 years since inception of high-quality, global satellite temperature measurements. The absence of much warming in the UAH record contrasts with temperature measurements from the earth’s surface which have warmed at about 0.17ºC warming per decade during the same period. The UAH record also contrasts with GCM projections of how the middle atmosphere should behave. Climate models project the middle to lower atmosphere generally will warm a bit faster than the surface under conditions of an enhancing greenhouse effect.

Because of these contrasting discrepancies, the UAH temperature record has been subjected to intense scrutiny. Advocates of the need to “do something” about global warming seemingly prefer climate model output to actual observations because GCMs, one and all, project a much more scary future climate than observations suggest is likely.

Several researchers developed alternative satellite temperature histories because they believed the methods employed by the UAH researchers in processing the microwave data are inadequate or in error. Carl Mears, Frank Wentz and Matthias Schabel of Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) developed one such alternative history. Konstantin Vinnikov and Norman Grody (VG) are authors of another. The RSS temperature record shows four times the warming of that in the UAH record at +0.12 °C (±0.02°C) per decade. The rate of warming in the VG record is greater still: +0.24°C (±0.02°C). We compare these histories in Figure 1.


Figure 1. Annual MSU temperature anomalies (departures from the long-term mean) as calculated by UAH, RSS, and VG. (adapted from Christy and Norris, 2004).

Trends in the RSS and VG records bring middle atmospheric warming more in line with surface measurement and, consequently, closer to climate model forecasts of what should be happening in the lower to middle atmosphere. The question is: Which of the three MSU records most accurately reflects true atmospheric temperature? They can’t all be right because each purports to measure precisely the same quantity (temperature in the mid- to lower atmosphere) and yet result in significantly different records.

Each research group begins with identical raw data collected by the same NASA satellites. The problem is that the average lifetime of the instruments aboard the individual satellites is only about 3-4 years. This has resulted in eleven different satellites making measurements over the past 25 years. What is in contention is how each individual satellite’s record is combined with others to create one continuous time series.

Satellites’ orbits degrade. So do the instruments onboard. These changes lead to measurement errors. Before each research group can compile an accurate history sufficiently robust for trend calculations, they must compensate for such errors. Each research group has its own correction scheme and each staunchly defends its methods. Yet they are so different as to result in the discrepancies shown in Figure 1.

However there does exist a possible external referee to help resolve these differences. That referee is the independent measurement of temperature in the lower atmosphere made by thermometers carried aloft twice daily by weather balloons released from locations around the world.

It would seem any research team eager to demonstrate that its MSU temperature realization is the best would carefully compare its history with that of the weather balloons. However only one group does so — the UAH scientists. They’ve published their most recent result in Geophysical Research Letters (see our “Related Reading” below for descriptions of earlier UAH results).

John Christy and William Norris selected high-quality weather balloon observations (from records kept at the U. S. National Climatic Data Center) from locations around the world between January 1979 through July 2001 and compared them with the UAH satellite data. They perform a series of comparisons designed to account for disparities in the weather-balloon data that can arise from missing data or changing instruments. In all cases, they find very close correspondence between the UAH satellite record and the independent weather balloon record. In fact, the differences between the records are statistically indistinguishable.

Data appropriate and necessary for Christy and Norris to extend their detailed comparison to the other two MSU satellite records is not available. However, they generally conclude that because the three MSU records differ from one other, and because the independent weather balloon data closely match one of the three, then the other two (by definition) must not enjoy close correspondence. This finding implies that the RSS and VG records are in error. This is not the only research published by UAH scientists comparing their satellite record with the record of weather balloons; it is only the latest in a series of such comparisons. Others used weather balloon data from a variety of sources including the U. K.’s Hadley Centre, the U. S. National Center for Environmental Prediction, the U. S. National Climatic Data Center, and the Russian Research Institute for Hydrometeological Information (see

http://www.co2andclimate.org/climate/previous_issues/vol8/v8n18/feature.htm for the results from these other comparisons). No matter from where the data comes, the results are the same — an extremely close match between the weather balloons and the UAH satellite temperature record.

The evidence presented by the UAH researchers seems as conclusive as any that exists. It demonstrates that the most accurate MSU record is that with the least amount of warming during the past 25 years and the one that differs most from predictions generated by climate models, when independent weather balloon temperature data serves as referee. It seems to us that these basic facts can stand until and unless the other MSU research groups provide appropriate data and analyses to demonstrate otherwise.

References
Christy, J. R., and W. B. Norris, 2004: What may we conclude about global tropospheric temperature trends?, Geophysical Research Letters, 31, L06211, doi:10.1029/2003GL019361.
Christy J. R. et al., 2003: Error estimates of version 5.0 of MSU-AMSU bulk atmospheric temperatures, Journal of Atmospheric and Oceanic Technology, 20, 613-629.
Mears, C. A., M. C. Schabel, and F. J. Wentz, 2003: A reanalysis of the MSU channel 2 tropospheric temperature record, Journal of Climate, 16, 3650–3664.
Vinnikov, K. Y., and N. C. Grody, 2003: Global warming trend of mean tropospheric temperature observed by satellites, Science, 302, 269–272.
Related Reading:
http://www.co2andclimate.org/wca/2003/wca_13a.html
http://www.co2andclimate.org/wca/2003/wca_6c.html
http://www.co2andclimate.org/Articles/2003/vca9.htm
http://www.co2andclimate.org/climate/previous_issues/vol8/v8n18/feature.htm
http://www.co2andclimate.org/climate/previous_issues/vol5/v5n10/feature1.htm
http://www.co2andclimate.org/climate/previous_issues/vol3/v3n13/feature1.htm
http://www.co2andclimate.org/climate/previous_issues/vol3/v3n21/feature.htm
http://www.co2andclimate.org/climate/previous_issues/vol3/v3n24/feature1.htm

43 posted on 04/16/2004 9:31:32 PM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: Alouette
Of course moose meat tastes different. They can eat off trees now rather than gnawing lichens off of rocks to stay alive.
44 posted on 04/16/2004 10:42:38 PM PDT by Post Toasties
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