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Emergency Marriage Alert (4/15/04)

Posted on 04/15/2004 10:30:13 PM PDT by Exton1

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1 posted on 04/15/2004 10:30:17 PM PDT by Exton1
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To: Exton1
The Democrats' contempt for the will of 60% of Californians is breath-taking. They're trying to slip gay marriage under the radar cause people don't take lightly to a law they voted for being overturned by the politicians. The Democrats can proceed with a repeal of the man-woman only marriage law here at their peril.
2 posted on 04/15/2004 10:33:39 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping + California Freepers turn to take some action!

The state government in CA is so repulsive that I don't know what to say.

They don't even pretend to care that the PEOPLE of California voted two to one against "gay" marriage two years ago. We are less than nothing to the liberal elitists in Sacramento.

Damn their eyes.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.
4 posted on 04/15/2004 11:16:11 PM PDT by little jeremiah (...men of intemperate minds can not be free. Their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Exton1
You are entitled to your opinion, heck in the USA we all have the right to free speech. I personally support Gay Marriage, and not even just civil unions, full gay marriage. Although the polls may show recently that most people do not want to have marriage rights for gays, the issue is divided along generational lines. The younger generation in fact overwhelmingly supports gay rights, including gay marriage. To them it is no big deal.

I am the mother of 2 gay children. My daughter has a wonderful partner, she is a teacher and her partner is a physician and they are having a wedding next Easter. It is a shame that their commitment to each other will be ceremonial and not legally biding. I guess I just don't understand why everyone is so interested in what goes on in other people's bedrooms. Live and let live. It's not for me, and obviously not for you either, however I assure you they are a very nice couple and contribute a lot to their community. They just want to be left alone basically. They want what everyone wants, a life partner, a happy family, children. They jsut happen to want it with the same sex. I don't see how that is a threat to anyone.
6 posted on 04/15/2004 11:27:36 PM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain (God Bless our Troops.)
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I feel sorry for you.

No grandchildren, and your daughter in such a self-destructive lifestyle.
7 posted on 04/15/2004 11:41:42 PM PDT by shekkian
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To: shekkian
Thanks for your concern. Perhaps I am just naive, but I really felt that you did express sincere regrets. It is hard to tell you the truth. It is hard because there are so many people who are not accepting of gays.

However her lifestyle is not destructive. She in fact has a wonderful life, simply wonderful. She is really in love, they have a monogamous relationship and they will have children, so there will be grandchildren.

I guess what we (gays and families of gays) do is what blacks did prior to the civil rights movement. Just ignore the hateful people, and not everyone who is not accepting of gays are hateful, and not let it affect your life. The key is to ignore the hate. Believe me there are more families in my position than you would imagine. I think the reason is because the younger generation is so much more accepting so that the younger generation of gays don't stay in the closet. Staying in the closet does more damage than being gay is IMHO.
8 posted on 04/15/2004 11:53:49 PM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain (God Bless our Troops.)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
My daughter is "gay" too but I am unalterably opposed to her pursuing it as well as her marrying another woman. I pray for healing for her each day, and these yoyos aren't making it easy for those of us who aren't willing to give our kids up to the gay culture.
9 posted on 04/15/2004 11:54:16 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Free! Read my inspirational historical romance novels: http://Writing.Com/authors/vdavisson)
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Before we get into the discussion. What is the 10th amendment? I notice it is on your tag line.

I feel sorry for you, for the turmoil that is in your family. Of course initially I was opposed, who wouldn't be? But the more I thought about it and the more we talked about it the more I accepted the fact that she really is just plain born this way. Even when I look at family pictures when she was a kid, she just wasn't a "girlie" girl. She is always wearing neutral gender clothing. And I am talking from age 4 on. You can literally see it in the family pictures, year after year.

Everyone who has to deal with this in their family deals with it uniquely. BTW are you "unalterable opposed" because of religious reasons? I don't think of it as "giving up my kid" My daughter is in her late 20's I truly don't believe that this is a "choice." I don't choose to be heterosexual, I just am. I don't think she chooses to be gay, she just is gay. Say the tables were turned and suddenly Gay was the norm and I would be encouraged to turn away form the "destructive heterosexual lifestyle" and become gay. Could I do it? No way, I am heterosexual. I think it is exactly the same for her.
10 posted on 04/16/2004 12:04:29 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain (God Bless our Troops.)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
"They want what everyone wants, a life partner, a happy family, children. They jsut happen to want it with the same sex. I don't see how that is a threat to anyone."

And they have the same ability as everyone else to want and have these things. IMO, it's not the 90% of homosexuals that are just regular people that are the problem. It's the 10% (and my percentages are off the top of my head) of the homosexual leaders/activists/socialists/communists that want to redefine a basic American/Judeo/Christian value. This will affect ALL of American society, in the long run. It's not about a threat to just your marriage, or mine. It's just another step in the undermining of our cultural values. I also believe that 90% of the homosexuals CHOOSE this behavior/lifestyle, and I believe it's abberrant behavior. Not good for society (AIDS). I certainly believe that everyone has a right to choose what life they want to live, and not be persecuted for it, (unless it's against the law), but they go tooo far in demanding recognition, forced acceptance and redefining our values. They can have legally binding contracts (power of attorney, wills, etc.) to get alot of the benefits they require. One of the reasons your 2 children have become homosexual, is BECAUSE it's become easier to choose this lifestyle. Why should we who believe that it is not in the best interest of our society make it easier for people to choose this lifestyle? Persecute them....NO. Approve and make it easier.....Also NO! Just my take on all this. :)
11 posted on 04/16/2004 12:13:45 AM PDT by Chani (I wanted to create a great tagline.......but thinking wears me out.)
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Believe me I agree with you about the 10%, they embarrass me. I don't think gays "choose" that lifestyle. Why would they? I mean why would you choose something that is going to bring you hate and ridicule? To be honest with you I don't understand either how they get satisfaction with a same sex partner. I just know that they do. I am probably prejudiced because I do believe that my eggs and my husband's sperm make gay children, I know for a fact that they were raised in a good Christian family, church on Sunday's Lutheran school and all that. Just a regular upbringing with no big huge traumatic even that caused them to be gay so I don't think based on my experience that it is chosen. I do believe them when they say they were just born that way.

I do not think that they should have to pay a lawyer and draw up civil contracts to get "almost" the same rights that every heterosexual couple gets on their wedding day. As for it not being good for society (AIDS) my son will be going in the Peace Corps this summer to fight AIDS in Africa. It is a horrible thing that there is so many gays with AIDS and that they spread it by having a promiscuous lifestyle, however there is also a lot of heterosexual behaviors that are a cost to society, that are not good. Look at obesity in America, unhealthy lifestyles that is bad for society. I don't think ALL the values in the Bible are accepted in society today. The Bible has many passages relating to slavery, telling slaves to obey their masters etc. You reject that don't you? I do understand people who approach the topic based on their closely held religious beliefs. However I thought we were supposed to have a separation of church and state. Your religious beliefs are not my religious beliefs. Why should the right to my daughters marriage be denied based on your religious beliefs? I am probing here don't' read this as an "attack: type of reply. It is hard on the Internet because it is hard to relay the inflection of the words written. Well at least for me anyway.
12 posted on 04/16/2004 12:33:05 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain (God Bless our Troops.)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
"I don't think gays "choose" that lifestyle. Why would they?"

I can tell you that they do.....I was one. It's a form of 'rebellion'.....or actually, it became and probably is more so after 30 years of 'brainwashing' a 'cool thing to be'. Like I said, if you make stealing or murder 'acceptable', more are likely to do it. If you make something harder to be......then there will be fewer that do it. I see you have been fed the mantra, and were/are looking for reasons/rationalizations/absolutions. That's ok. I don't blame you. I just am sorry you've become an 'enabler'. Sigh.
13 posted on 04/16/2004 12:45:18 AM PDT by Chani (I wanted to create a great tagline.......but thinking wears me out.)
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To: Chani
Perhaps I am just tooooo Heterosexual to "get" it. I can't "see" how you can change your sexual preferences as an act of rebellion. Well maybe some might do that for a time (and it is a big stretch for me to even think that) but I mean eventually you are what you are, right?

I don't think that I am an enabler. As a matter of fact I am simply a realist. When confronted with the situation and listening to my children I am a realist and just accept a spade for a spade. So it is not much of a rebellion if your parents after much internal conflict, love you anyway just the way you are, then the rebellion is pretty much over isn't it? It is far more logical to me to accept the fact that some people just genetically prefer the same sex.

I logically have to allow that perhaps a small small percentage might, might, might just do it for a while as rebellion but I think this is a small minority of gays. And those that are doing it for rebellion certainly do not "do it" for the rest of their life like that.
14 posted on 04/16/2004 1:02:14 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain (God Bless our Troops.)
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I mean why would you choose something that is going to bring you hate and ridicule?

I choose to be a conservative yet I feel I must shelter my politics for fear of the outburts of hate and ridicule that leftists I know would rain down on me. I hear how they talk of ex-friends and accomplished musicians who make the "mistake" of being conservative (and by musicians, I mean Jimmy Vaughan types more than Ted Nuggents).

Do you think that every woman who appears in lesbian porn is a lesbian by birth? Do you also believe that every heterosexual woman in porn actually finds any attraction to some of the men that she is paid to have sex with? It's a job. Some people do "choose" to participate in these acts.

15 posted on 04/16/2004 1:03:48 AM PDT by weegee (Maybe Urban Outfitters should sell t-shirts that say "Voting Democrat is for Old Dead People.")
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Porn is different. People do that because they get paid. Nobody pays people to date others of the same sex. I so much HATE pornography. Isn't it ironic that pornography is legal but tow professional people who love each other and want to get married, that is not legal??? If you could wave a magic wand and either eliminate pornography or absolutely prevent gays from ever having the right to marry which one would you choose?
16 posted on 04/16/2004 1:12:19 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain (God Bless our Troops.)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
I hope that you and yours remain as happy, as you seem to be trying so hard to convince us that you are. :) Good nite.

17 posted on 04/16/2004 1:13:36 AM PDT by Chani (I wanted to create a great tagline.......but thinking wears me out.)
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To: Chani
Thanks, good night to you to. And yeah, I am happy. My family is not typical, however with the openness of today and with the younger generation being much more accepting I don't feel like an island. Plus the success of my gay children in their lives makes me very proud to be their mom.
18 posted on 04/16/2004 1:20:07 AM PDT by OutInTheColdAgain (God Bless our Troops.)
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To: Exton1
Marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman. Arnold Schwarzenegger on the nationally-syndicated Sean Hannity radio show, August 28, 2003

So, can we count on Gov. Schwarzenegger to veto AB1967 if/when it passes?

In the past, when a bill got too much negative public attention, the Democrat legislators simply found a stagnant bill, gutted the original text, and inserted the text of the controversial bill; they then quickly voted, often without much public debate or notice. They may try this same tactic on AB1967.

Unfortunately, they will keep introducing related special rights bills, even if they become a part-time legislature. Several homosexual legislators seem intent on making special rights legislation the hallmark of their careers.


CCF has a brand-new message for you to email to every state legislator saying "OPPOSE AB 1967."

What if the legislators simply set up a keyword filter to delete (or shunt into a folder) all emails with that subject line automatically? Maybe I'll have to borrow the alternative spelling techniques some spammers use to evade my email filters.

I appreciate that CCF keeps an eye on these subjects so that we are warned before the legislators finish debating.

19 posted on 04/16/2004 1:59:44 AM PDT by heleny (http://www.save187.com/)
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To: OutInTheColdAgain
Not destructive? Amazes me how people condon gays if they aren't violent. The destruction lies in the fact, such a lifestyle does not produce LIFE!! Has everyone forgotten the fact marriage was not based on a foundation of pure sex, it speaks of FAMILY? Children? and the fact it takes a male and a female to raise those children because it takes a male and a female to produce those children. We will pay a penalty for spitting in Gods face, may take 50 yrs. to see but I sure am glad I'm not gonna be here. By the way before the flaming begins I have no problem being friends with gay people...I am..but they know where I stand, and that their bedroom life as a basis to achieve their political agendas is disgusting.
20 posted on 04/16/2004 4:29:20 AM PDT by BriarBey
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