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Will you wake up to Islamic prayer call?
worldnetdaily.com ^ | April 15, 2004 | worldnetdaily.com

Posted on 04/15/2004 4:50:39 AM PDT by ovrtaxt

A holy war of sorts is heating up in a Detroit suburb, where members of the local Muslim community want loudspeakers on mosques to announce the Islamic call to prayer five times each day.

But the idea is running into opposition from other residents of Hamtramck, Mich., many of whom are Christian, who think the prayer calls as early as 6 a.m. and as late as 10 p.m. would be disruptive.

"When you call to prayer, you are proselytizing, and as a citizen of the United States I don't want to hear it," Bob Golen, 68, told the Detroit Free Press.

"It is not my God. My God is Jesus Christ," Caroline Zarski, 81, said. "I don't want this noise invading my home at 10 p.m."

The Al-Islah Islamic Center asked the city three months ago to alter its noise ordinance to allow the calls to prayer. In February, the council reportedly supported the change but sought a public hearing before making any change.

"We don't want to make it a big deal," said businessman Abdul Algazali, according to the Free Press. "It's a low-pitched voice. It's not going to wake up anybody."

City Council President Karen Majewski compared the call to prayer to bells ringing on Christian churches, though other residents were said to disagree at Tuesday's meeting.

Majewski says the loudspeaker measure is likely to pass at next week's meeting, and would subsequently take effect in late May.

"Petitions have circulated among mainly white and Christian members of the community for weeks asking the council not to amend the ordinance," said Councilman Scott Klein. "Both sides have issued threats of federal lawsuits based on the constitutionality of the ban or the removal of the ban."

There are five mosques in Hamtramck, and three others just over the border in Detroit.

On its website, the city says it provides "A Touch of THE WORLD In America," touting itself as "the home of the most varied ethnic mix of people and customs from around the world."


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Michigan; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: albanians; balkans; christianpersecutio; hamtramck; islam; jihadinamerica; kosovoinamerica; religionofpeace
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To: dracos
How soon before we will have suicide bombers in our own midst?

I fear we are one teenager-dumped-by-his-girlfriend away from that event.

I suspect that the only reasons they haven't started yet is because American teens are well-fed, and because of Gameboy, X-Box, Playstation, etc.

121 posted on 04/15/2004 3:29:50 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: PresbyRev
That's a good idea --- at least counteract the muslim call to follow allah by a Christian or Jewish call to follow Christ and/or God. Nothing should say the Church bells should wait until after the muslim yodeling begins --- they could go off simultaneously.
122 posted on 04/15/2004 4:30:08 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Dajjal
Don't forget 9-11 ------ we've already had the suicide bombing. At least the first major ---- but there have been many not very publicized attempts ---- on NY subways for example. They aren't coming here to be Americans or to assimilate into Western culture and ways or because the believe in the Constitution ---- they cannot believe in anything but Sharia government.
123 posted on 04/15/2004 4:32:23 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ovrtaxt
I would definitely go out and hold up some signs or make some calls to stop that and I don't live anywhere near there!
124 posted on 04/16/2004 1:05:40 PM PDT by knak
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To: ovrtaxt
Just see how long one of those speakers last in my neighborhood! I'll be damned if I have to wake up to that noise!
125 posted on 04/16/2004 1:17:52 PM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: johnb838
"A bum in a dirty nightshirt ©..."

Michael Savage would be proud. I listen every night here in Penna.
126 posted on 04/16/2004 1:22:21 PM PDT by 7.62 x 51mm (• © • ™ • ® •)
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To: ovrtaxt
Why don't the ragheads hire a telemarketing firm to phone themselves 5 times a day? End of problem.
127 posted on 04/16/2004 1:26:34 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: Guillermo
You can find it in the Koran, it states their intentions crystal clear. Make the world Islamic or kill all who do not convert. It can happen here.
128 posted on 04/16/2004 1:33:59 PM PDT by gakrak
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To: Ax
When we were stationed in Saudi Arabia, we kept the air conditioners going full time most of the year. During our first February there, I shut them down and opened the windows. At just about 0445 was "al fajr," the morning call to prayer. From that point on, we kept the ACs running for the next 15 months. It is incredibly annoying.

That's the idea behind this ;don't kid yourself.

The constant Islamic call to prayer 5 times a day , 7 days a week will make the infidel so uncomfortable he will move out.

But who is going to buy in? Property values will fall and more afordable housing will be available for Allah's children who can live in an Islamic ghetto and not have to rub shoulders with the infidel. -Tom

129 posted on 04/16/2004 1:34:17 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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To: Gritty
"Be not surprised if one day a muezzin calls 'Allah is Great' from the White House roof"

Yep, the President already invites terrorist organizations (like CAIR) over to the WH to "celebrate" Ramadan, so who knows what lies in our future.

130 posted on 04/16/2004 1:40:04 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Guillermo
You can find it in the Koran, it states their intentions crystal clear. Make the world Islamic or kill all who do not convert. It can happen here.
131 posted on 04/16/2004 1:41:19 PM PDT by gakrak
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To: Dan from Michigan
And this is in one of the most famous Polish areas in the world.

As one of our most disreputable Islamonazis here on Free Republic once said of Kosovo being Serbia (as stipulated in UN resolutions), "Not no mo'!"

Just don't be surprised if he doesn't refer to the Polish inhabitants being chased from their homes by the criminals as "simply moving to a nicer neighborhood," assuming for a second that he hates the Slavic Christian Poles half as much as he hates the Slavic Christian Serbs, of course.

132 posted on 04/18/2004 3:14:19 PM PDT by FormerLib (Feja e shqiptarit eshte terorizm.)
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To: ovrtaxt
LINK: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3026297/detail.html

IT WAS PASSED BY UNANIMOUS VOTE!

Hamtramck Residents To Hear Prayer Broadcasts

Issue Sparks Heated Debate Among Residents

POSTED: 9:13 am EDT April 21, 2004

UPDATED: 9:43 am EDT April 21, 2004

Hamtramck residents will soon be hearing a Muslim call to prayer five times a day following a unanimous vote by the City Council Tuesday night.

The issue of sending out the prayer on a loudspeaker in the city sparked a heated debate among residents.

"If you guys think about it, the Muslim call to prayer is actually a beautiful thing," an unidentified man who supported the issue said during the City Council meeting.

Some residents are opposed to the call to prayer, saying it gives state sponsorship of a religion and it lifts Islam above all other religions in Hamtramck, Local 4 reported.

"I would say that is a distortion," Hamtramck City Councilwoman Karen Majewski said. "We worked very hard to craft this ordinance in such a way that it would cover all means of religious expression."

Resident Maria Radtke called it "one big mess."

"There'll be no peace as far as I'm concerned," Radtke said.

Resident Bob Golen also opposes the call to prayer. He said he is a Christian and does not believe in the tenants of the Muslim faith.

Majewski said the ordinance will allow the city "a way to deal with all religions, not simply the Muslim call to prayer."

The councilwoman also said the amendment to the noise ordinance passed by the City Council "gives us the flexibility to adjust the number of speakers, the direction of the speakers, the level of loudness. So that will all depend on the community response, on the particular neighborhood that the mosque may be in, because we have several mosques, and the particularities of each case."

City Council members may have voted to allow the daily prayer, but they have not yet set a decibel level for the mosques. The council will make the decision at a meeting next week.

The calls are expected to begin in May with broadcasts between the hours of 6 a.m. and 10 p.m.

As for complaints of the noise pollution created by the call to prayer, Majewski said there are other noise issues because Hamtramck is an urban city.

"We have a lot of noise on our streets," Majewski said.

She said there is flexibility within the ordinance to deal with all of the noise problems such as cars, trains and noisy neighbors.

"This ordinance gives us a way, a mechanism, by which to deal with these complaints," Majewski said.

133 posted on 04/21/2004 7:36:35 PM PDT by mostlyundecided
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To: TonyRo76
Where's the ACLU when you actually need them???


My guess is that they're paying for the loudspeakers.
134 posted on 04/28/2004 9:50:36 PM PDT by Just Lori (I used to be a Democrat. Now, I'm an American!)
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To: mostlyundecided
City Council members may have voted to allow the daily prayer, but they have not yet set a decibel level for the mosques. The council will make the decision at a meeting next week.


Done and done! May all Christian Churches tone up their bells! Ring 'em loud and ring 'em PROUD!
135 posted on 04/28/2004 9:55:08 PM PDT by Just Lori (I used to be a Democrat. Now, I'm an American!)
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To: fortunecookie
If this thing goes through, I propose a march on the city the likes of which this country has never seen. This is our lives and freedom at stake. I think this is the biggest national story there is today.
136 posted on 04/28/2004 9:55:42 PM PDT by Hildy (A kiss is the unborn child knocking at the door.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Local businesses should provide earplugs for their customers.

The store owners could hand out little ear plug carrying cases that go on key chains. They could place ads on the cases.

137 posted on 04/30/2004 6:55:40 AM PDT by syriacus (If getting 3 Purple Hearts got Kerry OUT of Vietnam, returning them should have sent him back.)
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