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To: Momaw Nadon
The explosion of Toba 75,000 years ago reduced the worldwide population of humans to 2,000 and this event is still seen in the human genetic record.
2 posted on 04/14/2004 6:22:11 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Wow. Sobering. I remember reading in one of Bill Bryson's books that Yellowstone is a giant volcano and could eventually wipe out mankind.
9 posted on 04/14/2004 6:35:06 AM PDT by MattinNJ (America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.)
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To: blam
The explosion of Toba 75,000 years ago reduced the worldwide population of humans to 2,000...

I didn't realize that such detailed census records were kept back then. I guess "prehistoric" man was more advanced than we thought.

17 posted on 04/14/2004 6:49:43 AM PDT by sheltonmac ("Duty is ours; consequences are God's." -Gen. Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson)
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To: blam
"Toba" 75,000 years ago and "human gene record" (blam). Wow, this is interesting stuff, I wasn't aware of. Very, very interesting, worth doing some personal research on.
22 posted on 04/14/2004 7:04:45 AM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
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To: blam
"The explosion of Toba 75,000 years ago reduced the worldwide population of humans to 2,000 and this event is still seen in the human genetic record."

So, what is the evidence in the fossil record recording the similarly large extinction of multiple species that would also have happened along with this?? At this point, color me largely skeptical.

26 posted on 04/14/2004 7:13:22 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: blam
Some interesting information I found on Toba, doing some quick research after reading the post in this thread on Toba and which was the first I recall of ever hearing about this ancient event:

The eruption of 2,800 cubic km of magma at Toba caldera 75,000 years ago was the largest eruption in the last 2 million years. The eruption may have release as much as 10E12 kg of sulfuric acid, an order of magnitude more than Laki in 1783 and Tambora in 1815, two of the greatest Holocene eruptions. The Toba eruption may have caused about 3 to 4 degree C cooling at the surface but this impact is hard to detect because of concurrent glacial conditions (Sigurdsson, 1990).

Formed by a stupendous prehistoric volcanic explosion, the 100 km long lake is the largest is Southeast Asia and one of the deepest and highest in the world. The drama of that cataclysmic birth persist in 500 meter cliffs dropping into the blue-green waters, Surrounded by steep, pine covered sloped, the climate is fresh and pleasant, with just enough rain to support the lush vegetation.

Smoke Over Lake Toba, Indonesia(NASA Visible Earth)

The super-eruption of Toba, did it cause a human bottleneck?   FJ Gathorne-Hardy1, WEH Harcourt-Smith2, 1 Archaeology department, West Street, Sheffield University S1 4ET, 2 Palaeontology department, AMNH, Central Park West 79th Street, NYC, NY10024, U.S.A: It has been claimed that the super-eruption of Toba, Indonesia, about 73.5 Ka, caused a global “volcanic winter” which was responsible for a bottleneck in human populations. We show that the eruption’s radius of direct impact was probably less than 350 km and that the global cooling associated with Toba was not unusual. We argue that at 73.5 Ka humans were adaptable and wide-ranging omnivores, so unlikely to suffer greatly from global cooling. No plant or animal extinction is attributed to the effects of the eruption. Genetic evidence appears not to support the hypothesis of a Toba-induced population bottleneck. We conclude that the Toba super-eruption is unlikely to have caused a bottleneck in human populations.

COMMENT: Above argues against effect of Toba on humans. However ...

URI oceanographers investigate link between last Ice Age and Indonesian volcanic eruptions
January 27, 2004
Approximately 75,000 years ago, a massive explosive eruption from a volcano in western Indonesia (Toba caldera) coincided with the onset of the Earth's last Ice Age.
In the current issue of Geology, University of Rhode Island geological oceanographers Meng-Yang Lee and Steven Carey; Chang-Hwa Chen and Yoshiyuki Iizuka of the Academia Sinica in Taiwan; and Kuo-Yen Wei of National Taiwan University describe their investigation into the possibility that eruptions from the Toba caldera on the island of Sumatra caused a severe "volcanic winter" and the initiation of a glacial period.
The magnitude of the oldest Toba eruptions had not previously been documented due to the difficulty in recognizing their widespread erupted products in marine sediments. Lee and the team of scientists present new data on the distribution of volcanic ash from the oldest Toba eruption in Ocean Drilling Program cores and piston cores in the South China Sea and Indian Ocean. By using high-resolution litho-, magneto-, and oxygen isotope stratigraphic records, the geologists were able to clarify the correlation between distribution patterns in the cores, refine the age of the layers, and reestimate the eruptive volume of the early eruption of Toba.
The results of their analysis indicate that the glass shards from the first Toba eruption 788,000 years ago were dispersed more than 2000 miles from the source. Fallout from the eruption was deposited from clouds that drifted over both the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea, producing an extensive ash blanket that may have been comparable in size to that of the last Toba eruption 75,000 years ago.
Comparing material from the oldest Toba eruption to that of the youngest, or last, Toba eruption, the scientists were able to draw surprising conclusions. The youngest Toba eruption (75,000 years ago) has been proposed as a triggering mechanism for the onset of large-scale glaciation, which brought the last interglacial stage to its end. The coincidence of the oldest Toba eruption with the transition from a glacial stage to an interglacial stage, however, appears to be an opposite effect.
Although the estimated volume of the oldest Toba eruption is not as large as the youngest Toba, they are both enormous eruptions involving discharges of tremendous amounts of magma. However, the warming trend following the oldest supereruption of the Toba appears to suggest that factors other than volcanism have played more influencing roles in governing glacial to interglacial transitions over the last 3 million years.
University of Rhode Island

Genomics, evolution, history, and geography
By polarbearcub , Section Biology
Posted on Mon Apr 22nd, 2002 at 04:04:46 PM PST
Dinosaurs were terminated during KT boundary, which is long long long time ago (65 million years ago). With very limited fossil record and the abrupt extinction of dinosaur, it is difficult and meaningless to study the "evolution" of dinosaur. More interesting is what trigger this event, which is a big unknown, some said asteroid, some said volcano, some said disease.
Human evolution is different, it is recent, there is fossil evidence and genetic evidence and we are not extinct yet =). Genetic evidence (mtDNA, HLA, Y chromosome, Alu sequence) provides us lots of insight about evolution. For example, just by estimate coalescence time and diversity about genetic systems, genetic evidence can tell us about time of human origin, which was around 2 million years ago, and location, which was Africa.
One interesting fact is that human evolution went through a bottleneck event around 75 thousand years ago. And there is evidence that during this bottleneck event, human population went from 100,000 to 10,000. With this short population expansion from a small population after such a recent bottleneck, no wonder we are so similar genetically. So what was going on during this bottleneck? It turns out there was a giant eruption from volcano Toba, in Indonesia. This event was 10,000 more powerful than St. Helen and decreased global temperature by as much as 15 degree Celsius!

COMMENTS: Haven’t found any gene link yet. Found arguments back and forth on the real impact of Toba on human evolution or decrease in population.

28 posted on 04/14/2004 7:22:44 AM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
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To: blam
Sources disagree about the actual numbers, but no doubt it was a devastating event.

Here's a good site for info:

http://www.roperld.com/HomoSapienEvents.htm

I remember a Discovery show that talked about the migration out of northern Europe 20-25000 yrs ago. At that time, the climate was so severe, they estimated worldwide population fell to 20-30 thousand.
93 posted on 04/14/2004 12:41:27 PM PDT by djf
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To: blam
After the Toba explosion, the genetic diversity in human mitochondrial DNA has nearly disappeared. Mitochondial DNA is passed down the matriarchal line via the egg protoplasm. Comparing the diversity in mitochondial DNA over populations worldwide AND computing the expected rate of mutation, the mitochondial DNA dates to a common set of ancestors at 70,000 to 80,000 years ago. Toba was 75,000 years ago.

Popping the cork off Yellowstone will eliminate the population carrying capacity of the American farmer. I'm only 200 miles from Yellowstone in Pocatello. The local area is built on top of an old lava flow from the last time Yellowstone popped. We'll get about a 20 minute warning before the pyroclastic flow rolls though here.

140 posted on 04/14/2004 3:41:36 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: blam
The explosion of Toba 75,000 years ago reduced the worldwide population of humans to 2,000 and this event is still seen in the human genetic record.

Sorry to be so late to this thread but caldera explosions are an interest of mine. Actually if worldwide human population were reduced to Bo Derek and me, I'd be OK with it. ;)

284 posted on 04/19/2004 2:30:36 AM PDT by Heatseeker
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