Comparing the Lifestyles of Homosexual Couples to Married Couples

Family Research Council via Virtuosity Online ^ | April, 2004 | Timothy J. Dailey, Ph.D.,

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[John O]

Yes, but is not having a law "homosexuality is not ok" morally loaded? I'm talking about the federal government here actively taking the "homosexuality is not ok" line, and using it to spread its power and morality. If by your definition, any law or lack thereof must have moral consequenes, why not take the tack with the fewest limitations?

Of course it is (morally loaded). That is government's purpose, to provide for the greatest well being and freedom of the most people by controlling (banning) behaviors that are hazardous to society, such as murder, child molesting or sodomy.

Legal marriage is purely a social institution between two people who "love" each other, and I defy you to prove otherwise.

Marriage is a means to produce and provide for the next generation of the society. Love is merely a benefit to it for those involved. Many societies married with no love involved at all (child and arranged marriages) and most of those marriages worked out great. The importance of marriage is the production of children. Sexually perverse marriages cannot produce children, and if (by some miracle) they could produce children could not raise them in the best environment for raising children

[John O]

Also, I disagree with your characterization of homosexuality as a "chosen lifestyle," at least for the great majority of gays.

it is. see below for more discussion

I certainly didn't choose my sexual orientation. I distinctly remember entering puberty and suddenly finding the girl who lived across the street attractive. I never thought to myself: "hmm, should I find her attractive, or should I be attracted to one of my guy friends?" It just happened.

That's because in a healthy human being heterosexuality is the default. All healthy people are heterosexual

Why would it be different for gays? Did you choose to be heterosexual?

Everyone is born heterosexual. Some trauma happens to some people and they (subconsciously) choose to be homosexual

Assume for the moment that a child is born genetically right handed. Now at the age of two this child has his right hand amputated. He will choose to be left handed after that point and at the age of twenty may not even remember ever being right handed. He was damaged and turned from being naturally right handed to being unnaturally left handed.

Homosexuality works exactly the same. We are all genetically heterosexual but some people become damaged and choose to function unnaturally

[governsleastgovernsbest]

We are all genetically heterosexual but some people become damaged and choose to function unnaturally.

I'm not an expert in the science of this area, but have never seen any research that supports the view you expressed. Can you point me to some?

[little jeremiah]

Couple of points - Sometimes homosexuality is chosen - I have heard some say that, especially lesbians. If you read the links to the Categorical Index of articles about homosexuality, you will see this topic discussed in depth and with great detail, often with material and stats taken from homosexual researchers and groups.

The general consensus is that homosexuals (or people with Same Sex Attraction Disorder) are "that way" because of bad relationship(s) with one or more parent, an absent father, early molestation, seduction, or sexual abuse (this is much higher among male and female homosexuals than the general population), and now, recruitment and societal encouragement - nay, pressure - to "experiment".

So, for many the attraction isn't "chosen" but it certainly isn't natural in the sense of being innate or inborn. Many homosexual researchers have TRIED to find evidence that points to biological basis for same sex attraction, but have had to admit defeat.

As someone mentioned up the thread, just because someone has a desire for something, that doesn't mean that the desire must be followed. Some desires are objectively wrong, harmful, unnatural, or destructive, and have to be suppressed, ignored, or otherwise not acted upon. An interesting point about desires is that the more such thoughts are "entertained" and meditated upon, the more one feels compelled to act on them. And the more one acts, the more one thinks, and so on. Connected to this, many "gays" have delved into "gay" pornography deeply before becoming sexually active.

Either homosexuality is innate, intrinsic to a person's very physical identity (such as race or ethnicity) or it isn't. All the evidence shows that it is not.

If it is not, what is it? All the evidence points to personality disorder, and when acted upon, (what to speak of promoted) leads to all manner of disease and misery.

(P.S. - Why don't more non-radical "gays" speak out against the indoctrination and recruitment of children into the "gay" life? A few do - such as Tammy Bruce - but most are either silent or supporters. What do you think of that?)

[little jeremiah]

Check the links on post #41. Tons of articles about the causes of homosexuality.

[Politicalmom]

They aren't GOING to "mind their own business", they are going to become more aggressive, and continue to try to teach other people's children that their "lifestyle" is hunky-dory.

I want them to keep their agenda AWAY from MY children.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

Sometimes homosexuality is chosen - I have heard some say that, especially lesbians.

I tend to agree that a fair number of lesbians have chosen to be that way. I'd say that women are more emotionally flexible than men, for better or worse. Obviously some men who are basically heterosexual choose to engage in homosexual behavior - the most obvious example being men in prison. I'll have a look at some of the links, but I believe that at least in the case of men, the great majority are either born that way or develop the orientation at a very young age, before the age of reason. In either case, they can't be blamed for it. I believe a high percentage are that way as a matter of genetics, not the kind of problem family relationships you describe. The "homosexuality as a result of bad relationships, abuse" theory reminds me of old theories about autism. I believe it's established now that none of that is a factor at all in autism. But let's assume you're right - that some, even many, homosexuals choose to be that way. As a matter of civil law (in contrast with religious law), why shouldn't they have equal rights?

[little jeremiah]

Why should people who are attracted to deviant and unhealthy sex practices have special laws dsigned to mechanically make them appear normal? If you want to discuss this topic reasonably, you really need to read up. I am saying this with all due respect, as you come across as a well-read and intelligent individual. There is no subsitute for studying up on the topic of homosexuality, as there has been a virtual media blackout on the truth for the last 30 years.

Have you read "After the Ball"? Written in '88 or '89 by two homosexual activists, it outlined the gay agenda plans for our future. It is an eye-opener.

You say you "believe" that much or most homosexuality is genetic. Where do you derive this opinion? Even homosexual researchers trying to find a physical or genetic cause for same sex attraction have not been able to do so.

It is a fact that a huge percentage of male homosexuals were molested or seduced while young children or adolescents by older men. Similarly, a large percentage of female homosexuals were either seduced or molested by a woman or sexually abused by a man. If a girl child is raped or abused by a man, it is very natural that she may grow up terrified of sex with men. These are facts, not my opinion.

I do hope you do some reading. The information is there, and homosexual activists and their supporters do not want people to have this information. That's why "hatespeech" laws are gaining favor in Canada, Europe, and there are many who want them implemented here.

[governsleastgovernsbest]

I will seriously make it a point to read some of the research out there.

[little jeremiah]

You won't be sorry. It's fascinating reading, although sometimes painful to read.