The Iraqi rebels show me their latest victim: a German in a pool of blood

THe London Telegraph [U.K.] ^ | 11/04/2004 | By Lee Gordon

[ellery]

Did anyone bother to explain to these people that in a Democracy they can choose what kind of system they want.

I don't think that's true, because it seems as if the Iraqis opposing us are a small minority. They wouldn't get what they wanted in a democracy, so they try to seize power by force instead.

[TexKat]

Amrican = American

[LoudRepublicangirl]

I have noticed muslim men seem to have an unIslamic fascination with the private parts of our men.

That's because they do engage in homosexual activities. They just are not as open about it as we are here in the West. It's still a hush,hush thing there even though they engage in it with gusto.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Because they hate the infidel more than they could ever hate their own despot.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

As someone else noted, you are spot on. But you left out one thing:

They want to be able to come here and kill us, use the oil weapon to bring us to our knees and export shari'a to the land of the kufr with impunity.

Their is no option except to kill them all as quickly as possible, IGC and June 30 be d****d - Even if we fill more mass graves than Saddam.

[FreeReign]

"An argument is raging between several young Iraqis and the mujahideen commander, a man in his forties with clear blue eyes who tells me he is a former Iraqi special forces officer."

Looks like Lee Gordon is trying to romanticize this muja commander -- a man with "clear blue eyes".

How corny is that?

[FreeReign]

"My translator, a Palestinian, worked the crowd, persuading them that I was not a spy. Suddenly the ice seemed to crack. Smiles broke out and we were offered a bowl of water, a sign of acceptance."

Grinning bearers of bowled water. What an accepting bunch these rebels are.

Aye?

[My Dog Likes Me]

"concealed the naked bodies below the waist..."

Muslim men take deep cultural offense at the public display of another man's genitals. You must turn away! For instance, the only time some of our embassy prisoners in Iran during the hostage crisis could really talk to each other, quietly, was when they bathed or showered together. The guards would turn their backs to avoid the sight of naked men.

This is ironic since most Arab men seem to be aggressive
bisexuals.

[cherry]

"an unIslamic fascination with the private parts of our men."

what's so " unIslamic" about that?......

the Muslims in the middle east live in a male dominated society where women have to hide themsevlves away, can not participate openly either in their religion or govt. , and are treated like slaves by the "men-folk"....

Female sexuality scares them so of course they turn to homosexual sex for fulfillment...

[T'wit]

This Brit "reporter" is the worst kind of snake.

[lentulusgracchus]

The talking heads on TV keep telling us it's all about power and money, and the Iraqis simply have no feeling one way or the other about freedom or democracy. Then these guys ambush some German embassy people and tell their story to a Brit reporter, and what is that story ~ that they "hate the ideas". Is it possible "W" is correct and all the talking heads are wrong?

DINGdingdingdingding.........

Notice also that the man with blue eyes in this story, the head terrorist, is described as a former Iraqi special-ops commander. Can you spell "Ba'athist creep"?

Just the kind of guy the Iraq command says they're facing. The young idiots helping him are bored and emptyheaded. Soon they'll be colanders.

[lentulusgracchus]

That makes it worth having had the right fella in the right place at the right time, whether he's *just* a journo, or there's a bit more to him than that.

I noticed that he dialed up a certain address with two Fedayeen black flags, and a guy with blue eyes. How hard will it be, in a small town in Iraq, to find a former Iraqi special-ops guy who has blue eyes? If the description he gave us is accurate, the Iraqi police, and maybe the Western spooks, already know who his "host" is.

"Fascinating", as Leonard Nimoy used to say.

[lentulusgracchus]

Looks like Lee Gordon is trying to romanticize this muja commander -- a man with "clear blue eyes". How corny is that?

I take your point, either the writer is a tad bi-romantic himself......or he just marked the man for death, for threatening his own life and because he's a terrorist. How corny is that?

[RusIvan]

Why would any Iraqi oppose that?===

IMHO for Iraqi people thier own dictator is BETTER then foreign invador.
I'm NOT surprised because I know that it is true for russians.

[daviddennis]

There seems to be a major misconception surrounding this that really doesn't help. I actually had to read Mark Steyn to realize it.

The media imply that all Iraq is afire over this. The truth seems to be that it's maybe 10,000 people in the entire country that are wreaking havoc. We're listening intently to the opinions of these people, because they're fighting us and therefore have our attention.

Their psychology seems similar to Cubans under Castro when he first rose to power. Castro managed to keep power by persuading Cubans that Americans were evil and out to control them. Remember, the history of the Middle East is filled with occupiers who wanted to keep control, such as the British. When control was relinquished, it was to dictators we thought we could control. Thus, the resentment of any kind of outside control, even if it's relatively benign.

Remember, this is far from a minority movement. The majority wants a peaceful life. It's like if the people who supported International ANSWER donned weapons and started fighting around their strongholds of NYC, Washington DC and LA. They could do a huge amount of damage in those places, and it would not mean that the effort to quell them was not worthwhile, nor that the bulk of the people were on their side.

The problem is that innocent people can die, easily, in that scenerio, and if enough people die, then the consensus in the country could shift towards giving in to their demands, especially in parts of the nation where the general consensus is pro-appeasement in any event.

So the situation is dangerous, but it's something we need to manage, not something that justifies flight.

It's really unfortunate that our media plays the story as though all Iraq hates us, when that's assuredly not true. This is one place where the opinion poll tells the story better than facts on the ground.

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[jjm2111]

We do not control that country.

[Sender]

I completely agree that they are planning to export Islam and impose shari'a law over here even if it takes 100 years, by their own admission. And we must stop that. But I don't think we should "kill them all" or we would become as low as they are.

What we must do is to show them the force we can project when we are threatened and find a way to deter them from attacking us and coming over here...which is kind of hard to do when you're dealing with "martyrs" who welcome their own deaths.

We need some kind of "Sword of Damocles" hanging over the head of the whole Islamic ummah, something that they cannot risk at any price. Only then will we have any security. There are millions upon millions of them and we can't get them all even if we tried.

[Justa]

The Iraqi army was controlled by the Ba'ath party. These disposessed Iraqis cannot stand democracy or a pluralist Iraq becuase under that system they lose everything they had under Saddam. They have no oil, limited political power and are a minority in the country the used to rule. This is what they are fighting against, their loss of control over Iraq. They believe that with Syria's help they can drive the Americans out of central Iraq whereby they can turn against the Kurds and gain control of their oil.

Many Sunnis are worse off now then they were under Saddam, so they resist. Such are fortune of tribalists. They are a minority though. Iraq's Sunnis are fast becoming Iraq's Palestinians -impoverished, disposessed, bitter and hateful about what they lost and their lack of a future. They have a lot to offer in their experience in administering the country but they're just too dam#ed spiteful and resentful to act in building a better Iraq. So they tear it down instead.

[Justa]

"The unpainted walls were decorated with two pictures of the black flag of the jihad."

Oh, so that's what all the black flags are for?

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

I'll answer point by point:

We could not "be as low as they are" because we did not start it and we do not set the terms.

As you mention, it is hard to show enough force to deter willing martyrs. The Muslim answer to any amount of potential power is "God is greater" (Allahu Akbar). Therefore, the actions of even single individuals, as 9/11 was, are undeterable.

I don't understand your "Sword of Damocles" which you contradict with "you can't get them all." I believe in giving people a chance. But you must respond asymetrically. And at some point you have to say the h3ll with it and drop the sword on them.

The ideology of Shari'a and the words of Qur'an (e.g 9:29-32) and Hadith make it clear that this will at best be a recurring problem as new generations take it seriously, and a growing problem if not constantly pruned, meaning chronic war.