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I didn't say it couldn't make money ethically, but understand there is no ethical duty to make products in America.

And that is an overgeneralization of the argument. We're dealing with specifics. Nobody's saying companies have to stay in America to provide service to outside countries and businesses. But when you're competing with the US market, you have an ethical responsibility not to undercut the us market with foreign labor in an effort to scuttle the market. That is an attack on business, on individual workers and on the market at large - devaluing the economy, depressing wages and devaluing products. That is why Dumping was made illegal - for those very reasons. And it's been stated over and over again.

Lynching is illegal because it's murder. And you're arguing essentially that if you stab a man that it's ethical because you didn't lynch them. I't still murder when the guy dies. It doesn't matter how you got there, the result is the issue you're being judged on. Dumping was illegal because it devalues wages and products and puts business at risk of failure. It is a subversion of the market. Competing with low cost foreign labor against the American market does the EXACT SAME THING - produces the EXACT SAME RESULT and is therefore EXACTLY the same issue. It's unethical because it was deemed illegal and for good reason. It's so clear it isn't even debateable, yet here we sit after how many days right back at the same point and not a one of you able to get around it.

No you don't. When you're competing in the US market your only DUTY is to do so profitably, and if that undercuts others that's their problem not yours.

Yes it is an attack on business, welcome to free market capitalism, it isn't for the weak of heart. Every business is either a lion or a gazelle and they don't usually find out which until blood is shed. It's a kill or be killed world in business, there's only so much money to go around and a business' job is to get as much of it as they can.

No I'm arguing that the duty of a corporation is profit. And anybody that knows anything about business knows that when one company makes profit there's a good chance others are going out of business. You said you used to work for WalMart, how many companies try to compete with WalMart and fail? What happens to those that fail? What I'm saying is stabbing someone in the back is ethical in a war when the other guy is wearing the wrong uniform, and that's what free market capitalism is: war. It's Target vs WalMart vs K-Mart vs Mom&Pop and if the gains of one put one of the others out of business too bad so sad.

Dumping isn't as illegal as you think it is. When my company is getting help from my government so I can sell goods for cheaper than they cost to make it's illegal. But when my company is deliberately losing money on a product in order to draw in customers to buy other products it's no longer called dumping, it's called a loss leader and it's perfectly legal. Grocery stores do it with milk and bread every day, that's why they're on opposite sides of the store, lose money on those common items but hope people buy more stuff as they walk through the store. And if some other grocery store can't afford to take a loss on milk and bread and wind up pricing themselves out of that market guess what happens? They'll probably be out of business in a year.