An Open letter to President Bush (End run vs. Outsourcing)

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[clamper1797]

You know, I got diabetes in my 20's (most people get it in the 50's-60's), before he was born, from Agent Orange, fighting for my country so that fools like him would have a place to be born and grow up in, safely

Welcome home brother ... shame that when we had to go fight in order to keep this country safe for all it included the ungratefully ANTI-AMERICAN Free Traitors who would screw you and any other fellow American for their almighty dollar

[Poohbah]

but, they seem to appreciate fear - none of them would take me up on an offer to come say all the things that have been said by free traitors on this thread in front of a crowd of UAW workers...

"BELIEVE AS I TELL YOU TO BELIEVE, SAY WHAT I ORDER YOU TO SAY, AND PAY ME DANEGELD--OR I WILL KILL YOU."

Havoc's argument in one sentence.

[sarcasm]

Rise in job numbers leaves many workers with less pay

The U.S. has not replaced any of the 2.8 million factory jobs lost since President Bush took office in 2001, forcing many workers to accept lower-paying alternatives. The industries adding jobs, such as retail and health care, pay on average 21 percent less than manufacturing, according to a study of government data by the Economic Policy Institute.

Three-quarters of the new jobs created in March, the fastest period of employment growth since April 2000, came from lower-wage service industries, led by retailers, the Labor Department said.

"Wage and salary income didn't go up much last month despite the 300,000 new jobs," said Joshua Feinman, chief economist at Deutsche Asset Management in New York.

[Havoc]

Didn't say it, never have. But keep lying - nothing has stopped you guys lying so far, I've no illusions anything is going to make you find religion and start being truthful just because we expose your lies here.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Rise in job numbers leaves many workers with less pay

Thanks for the link and the article. But like I told the other guys, I don't need an article, or government stats to know that many are working for less money, and little or no benefits. The middle class has been hammered in the past several years. Only those with agendas, political or otherwise won't admit it.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Mine are based on folks that I speak with daily, not some government stats. Back to the Wall Street Journal for you.

Well, obviously the couple of dozen people you spoke to are no match for my high-falutin,city slicker numbers.

[Toddsterpatriot]

But like I told the other guys, I don't need an article, or government stats to know that many are working for less money, and little or no benefits. The middle class has been hammered in the past several years.

Wow, the whole middle class? All 150 million of them?

[Toddsterpatriot]

none of them would take me up on an offer to come say all the things that have been said by free traitors on this thread in front of a crowd of UAW workers...

How's this? Sorry you undereducated, sheltered union workers have priced yourself out of the market and will be lucky to get a new job making 50% of what you make now.

Please pass that to your buddies at the next union meeting.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bush would need employers to add an average of 228,000 jobs a month for the remainder of 2004 to avoid becoming the first president since Herbert Hoover to end a term with fewer jobs than when he began.

Tom Joseph, a Toledo, Ohio-based job training official with the United Association of Plumbers and Steamfitters, said he isn't seeing that pace of growth in his community.

Well, if a guy who works for the union doesn't see the growth, it must not be there.

[bvw]

priced yourself out of the market

Well, when they market includes locked-in slave labor chained to their machinery as you get in China and pennies per day -- gee, who isn't "priced out of the market",

How "patiotic" of you, Todd, cheering for your nieghhbors and coutrymen to (1) celebrate very low pay (2) borrow more moeny and (3) send their kids to fight for you in foreign nations.

Very patriotic! /NOT

[Toddsterpatriot]

I didn't realize patriotism = supporting overpaid union thugs.

Main Entry: pa·tri·ot·ism

Pronunciation: 'pA-trE-&-"ti-z&m, chiefly British 'pa-

Function: noun

: love for or devotion to one's country

Oh, look, not one mention of unions.

[sarcasm]

This needs to be repeated:

Bush would need employers to add an average of 228,000 jobs a month for the remainder of 2004 to avoid becoming the first president since Herbert Hoover to end a term with fewer jobs than when he began.

[discostu]

Great, post them, with links. If you have INFORMATION that PROVES the economy is bad it's your moral obligation to post it. If you're just gonna insist we believe you, sorry I only take God on faith, and you ain't Him.

[discostu]

Housing boom create wealth by creating the real property asset of a house.

The tech boom created wealth by creating the assets of computers and software.

Retail sales booms are hollow if they sit by themselves, they almost never sit by themselves.

If we're past the time when pumping credit into the economy gets it started, yet the economic numbers are climbing then maybe they aren't climbing because of credit being pumped into the economy.

I'm not borrowing comfort, I work for it. I went to school to develop my skills and get a good paying trade, I do my job well and help make sure our company makes the best products in our field. I earned it fair and square and where the actual products are made is 100% immaterial.

People that think they're entitled to anything rarely get anything. Actually it's that entitlement mentality that started this thread. The original author thinks he's entitled to a trade and is also entitled to governmental protection from competition. The free trade mentality doesn't believe in entitlement, it believes in earning everything, in the free trade world if you want to earn more than foreign competitors you better be worth more, if you don't produce more of higher quality then you aren't worth more and you're not entitled to being paid more.

My internationalist model is a 12 year-old Nissan that still runs quieter than my stomache and can get to 45 in second gear without whining like a protectionist. It's a better car than anything America is making for the price.

[discostu]

More LIES FROM HAVOC. You didn't challenge us to go say what we said to a UAW crowd. You challenged us to go defend your innane pathetic 52 cent pygmy strawman to a UAW crowd. If you want your stupid strawman defended do it yourself liar.

[Toddsterpatriot]

You want to bet that after all the numbers are finalized that jobs will be positive?

[Cultural Jihad]

Thanks for the humorous whiney rant! Maybe we should all become professional victims, eh?

[Cultural Jihad]

People that think they're entitled to anything rarely get anything. Actually it's that entitlement mentality that started this thread. The original author thinks he's entitled to a trade and is also entitled to governmental protection from competition. The free trade mentality doesn't believe in entitlement, it believes in earning everything, in the free trade world if you want to earn more than foreign competitors you better be worth more, if you don't produce more of higher quality then you aren't worth more and you're not entitled to being paid more.

Worthy of a repeat.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Havov said this: I ain't a democrat, never have been and never will be; but, I'm wondering now why I'm republican, cause some of you make me ashamed of the word.

I think he's a little confused. The Democrats are the mommy party and the Republicans are the daddy party. If he wants his hand held and whispers of "Baby, everything is gonna be alright" he should switch his registration.

Daddy says quit crying, get off your ass and get a job.

[sarcasm]

The U.S. economy has, on average, had a 5% increase in the number of jobs within 18 months of the end of a recession - think that this number of jobs will be created? Want to bet on this number?