[neverdem]

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[lewislynn]

Thank god I live in California. The rest of the country is REALLY going to hell.

[John Lenin]

"You cannot put this genie back in the bottle."

Want to bet Bertha?

[DoughtyOne]

With every one of these hairbrained ideas, the left makes citizenship worth less and less. One wonders what how bad it will be before our kids check out. It's already worse than I thought I'd ever see it.

[ETERNAL WARMING]

This is an outrage. Voting is the perogative of CITIZENS. I don't want foreigners electing our officials. Please make your representatives aware of this Constitutional travesty being proposed in NY.

[ikka]

It is time for an American Diaspora.

Just like the best of the Chinese left China to go to Taiwan, or overseas.

Just like the Jews left Israel after the Romans (the secular liberals of their day) destroyed their country.

[neverdem]

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[RWR8189]

In other news, Democrats have announced a plan to end the horrible denial of suffrage to Deceased-Americans.

Some have been denied their rights for over 200 years in this country, and it is said that they must be able to exercise their rights, and vote Democrat.

[My2Cents]

The country started going downhill when the vote was extended to those who didn't own property.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

NYCPP is one of the groups. From http://www.gadgetfarm.com/noa/jobbank/job_detail.cfm?ID=1622

"The New York Civic Participation Project (NYCPP), a project of La Fuente a Tri State Worker & Community Fund, is a join initiative of labor unions and community organizations that promotes immigrant and worker rights through engaging union members in community organizing.
The NYCPP was initiated by SEIU Local 32BJ, HERE Local 100, AFSCME DC 37, Make the Road by Walking and the National Employment Law Project. The NYCPP also works closely with other union, community and city-wide partners."

[Cacique]

This is a slap in the face to every citizen and particularly naturalized citizens like myself. People who are not citizens have not given an oath to the US Constitution, they have not committed themselves to become Americans. Citizenship will become even more worthless and the idea of the nation state made up citizens loyal to it will become meaningless.

For a long time there has been a small movement on the left that claims that the presidency of the US is too important to be left to only americans to vote. This is the crack in that door. The internationalist collectivists who want to hand over power to the UN will have their way. Loyalty to the nation has become a meaningless concept.

My father is turning in his grave. Even after having fought in WW II in the US army it did not give him an automatic right to become a US citizen with the right to vote. Now they intend to hand it out like it was candy. While the enemy from without attacks our borders the fifth columnists from within destroy our institutions.

[Dante3]

All the terrorits need then is smuggle enough people into the country and they can control the election. Pure insanity, proposed by traitors.

[Mears]

Why bother becoming a United states citizen? What's the point anymore?

[familyofman]

"Giving immigrants the right to vote will not be an easy sell, even in New York. Some proponents say they will be content for the moment if they can force people to rethink a fundamental issue."

Okay - I rethought the issue and am still vehemently in opposition to having any one other than US citizens voting in elections. Another really bad idea that should be thrown on the trash heap of ideas that have no merit.

[summer]

Nationally, there are more than 10 million legal immigrants who are not citizens, according to estimates based on census figures. Some are waiting to become citizens, a process that often takes as long as 10 years with the current backlog of applications. Others are not eligible for citizenship because they are here on temporary visas, or have simply not applied.

I was wondering about this on the other thread (re Gov Bush) -- why does it take so long to become a citizen, for those who want to be citizens (and not illegal or "legal" immigrants)?

Is the reason we have all these new proposed laws concerning immigration simply because the govt is just too inefficient to timely handle issues of citizenship?

So, the answer, of some, is to toss aside the entire concept of citizenship?

That what it is sounding like to me - We here in the govt can't get caught up with all this paperwork, so, what the h*ll; let's just abandon the concept of "citizenship." I don't think current citizens, across the board, will ever buy that line of thinking from the govt.

[summer]

And, in other news I read today -- we have a legislator who wants to eliminate the legal concept of "marriage":

WIPE OUT MARRIAGE: LEGISLATOR

NY Post, By FREDRIC U. DICKER

April 8, 2004 -- ALBANY - The same-sex marriage controversy took a new and dramatic turn yesterday as one of the state Legislature's few openly gay members proposed abolishing marriage altogether in New York.

Assemblywoman Deborah Glick (D-Manhattan) said she would introduce legislation today to remove all references to marriage from the state Domestic Relations Law and replace them with the term "civil unions."

"There would be civil unions for all," Glick told The Post.

She said religious and civil unions could still be called "marriages" under her proposed law, but that the term would have no legal standing.

Glick said she had 12 Assembly Democrats backing her proposal, including Daniel O'Donnell of Manhattan, another openly gay lawmaker and brother of Rosie O'Donnell, and Richard Brodsky, a potential candidate for attorney general in 2006, of Westchester.

But she said she had no sponsor for the measure in the Republican-controlled Senate.

"I suspect, that in the end, the courts will deal with the blatant inequality that is existing in the law today," said Glick.