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My Experiences With the Secret Service
Myself | 4/07/04 | RightFighter

Posted on 04/07/2004 8:27:23 AM PDT by RightFighter

As some of you may have seen, on February 14th, I posted a thread entitled “Need Some Freeper Advice Here” on Free Republic regarding something an incident at work where a fellow employee made a threatening comment toward President Bush a couple of days before the President arrived in town for the Daytona 500 race.  When I posted this thread, I was pretty sure I knew the answer that I was going to get from my fellow Freepers, but wanted the extra confidence that comes from having my peers tell me that I was doing the right thing in reporting this employee to the US Secret Service.  I was also pretty sure that, just by posting the thread, the Secret Service or FBI would be alerted to the situation and that I might be contacted regarding my post.  That’s why, because of my initial lack of confidence about the whole situation, I referred to “my friend” in the post rather than myself.  I think anyone who read the post could tell without much thought that I was really referring to myself (which should have been obvious to anyone who read the first sentence, in which I put the words “my friend” in quotes). 

Anyway, after almost 50 posts came in within a few minutes telling me to report the guy, I did so.  You can see in post number 51 that I indicated that “my friend” was actively calling the Secret Service, and then in post number 55, I reported that the call had been made.  I then stated in post number 58 that I was really talking about myself, not my friend, and soon thereafter I asked the moderator to lock the thread to further postings because I didn’t want this to become a huge thread which would move to the top of the “Latest Posts” page all night long. 

My call that evening was to the United States Secret Service field office in Orlando, Florida, which I reached by calling 407-648-6333.  A young lady took my call and seemed to be typing in the details I was giving her, which included my name and home address and cellular telephone number and a general description of what had happened, but not the name of the employee in question.  She stated that she was sure an agent would want to contact me about the situation and that I should expect a call. 

The call never came.  I woke up the next morning for church worried that someone would be contacting me during church, so I actually took my cellular phone into church, which I rarely do.  Still, no call ever came.  The Daytona 500 came and went that afternoon and the next few weeks were a blur, and still, no call.  I finally just mentally wrote it off as evidence that the USSS must not take the type of comment the guy made very seriously, and I stopped thinking about it.

Then, a couple of weeks ago, on March 19th, things changed.  I received a call on my cellular phone from a someone who I will identify as “PC”.  PC stated that he was a Secret Service agent based in Jacksonville and that he had been forwarded some information from DC that he was following up on regarding this situation and he needed me to call him.  I called him that afternoon on my way home from work and we spoke a couple of times that evening, during which time I gave him the whole story along with names of witnesses, etc..  During the course of these conversations, he told me something that concerned me.  The reason that it had taken so long for him to contact me was that the USSS had to SUBPOENA Free Republic for my records so that they could track me down by IP address through my ISP. 

Now, I was not at all surprised that they were able to track me down this way.  To the contrary, I would be surprised if they couldn’t.  What I was surprised about was that they felt like they HAD to track me down in this way, considering that I had made a PHONE CALL TO THE USSS to report the guy!  I mentioned this to the agent, and he was shocked.  He asked me some details about my phone call and then he told me that he was sure that this would spawn some kind of internal investigation on their end to find out why my call was not given any kind of attention at all by the Orlando field office. 

Anyway, after giving PC all the details and even doing him the favor of looking up the guy’s home address on the Internet so that he could contact the guy over the weekend, we hung up with the stipulation that he would contact me if he needed more information.  This was on Friday evening, March 19th.  The following Monday morning, March 22nd, I was in a meeting at work when my cellular phone rang.  I recognized the number as PC’s number, but couldn’t take the call.  After my meeting, I listened to his voicemail and it was a message asking me if I knew if the individual was going to be at his place of employment that day.  About an hour had elapsed since he called me, and I returned his call, but could not reach him, so I left him a voice mail. 

At this point, I felt that I had to tell our Chief Operating Officer what was happening.  I was a little disappointed that PC hadn’t just gone to the guy’s home over the weekend instead of waiting and coming to the workplace, but I figured our COO should know that a USSS agent might be showing up at the job site that day to see this employee, so I told him the whole story.  He had a strange look on his face and he said “Well, let me tell you what I know.  This morning, during our meeting, two Homeland Security ‘suits’ showed up at the site flashing pictures of you and [employee_name]” and saying they needed to talk to you both.”  He went on to say “…any idea you might have had that this would be anonymous was wrong.” 

I later contacted PC again and he told me that as far as the USSS is concerned, this is a non-issue and that the employee has been warned that comments similar to this in the future will be taken very seriously.  He said that he didn’t think the employee knew for sure that it was me who had reported him, but that he indicated it could be me or one of several other people who he had made the comment to.  Of course, by flashing my picture around, I think the USSS made it pretty clear that I was involved. 

My question is – would any of you be as upset as I was at this?  I’m upset for several reasons.  First, that it took so long for the USSS to contact me.  I love President Bush, and I’m very concerned that they would not take seriously a threat to his life reported by telephone to one of their field offices so close to his arrival in town.  Second, I’m concerned about the way the whole thing was handled when PC showed up at my place of employment.  Those who NEEDED to know that I had reported this guy had been made aware of it, but by coming to the front desk at my place of employment waving around a picture of me and making it obvious to everyone, they could have put my life or my job or both in jeopardy. 

So, I’m back where I started.  I need to know what my fellow Freepers would suggest that I do here in follow-up to this situation.  Should I just leave it alone or should I start writing letters to Washington to inform them of what happened here?  Obviously the issue of the lack of response needs to be addressed, but of almost equal concern to me is the issue of the way it was handled.  It makes me want to think twice next time before speaking up and being a responsible citizen, and nobody should feel like that after doing what was right to report a situation like this.  Any thoughts?


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: presidentbush; secretservice; snich; tattletale; usss
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To: kenth
If you read the original thread, they discussed the fact that the FBI watches sites like this.
21 posted on 04/07/2004 8:56:39 AM PDT by RightFighter
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To: RightFighter
you did the right thing in contacting the USSS. They were lacking in their follow-up. Their probing of FR was correct as was FR's actions in response to subpoena. The major failing (and it seems a major failing) I see here was your informing the COO and further bringing the matter into the workplace. If you'd just kept cool nobody would have ever known and, worst case, the only thing they'd know is that you were likewise reported as having been present or aware of such charges and folks might even presume it was somebody else who followed up in that manner.
22 posted on 04/07/2004 8:57:24 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: RightFighter
Fighter...

In this day and age, Sargeant Shultz should be your mentor.

When it comes to ANY federal badge carrier, you know nothing, you see nothing, and most of all, you SAY NOTHING.

23 posted on 04/07/2004 8:58:38 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Old Sarge
There are still too many USSS agents loyal to HRC

You've got to be kidding! Gary Aldrich would differ on that! ROFLMAO

24 posted on 04/07/2004 8:58:44 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: RightFighter
Keep your head down and your nose clean. Don't get involved with the feds unless you want to get involved with the feds. Just ignore leftists who say things about Bush. They are a bunch of pu$$ies generally and wouldn't act. The people who would attack Bush would be nutcases. Not DU goofballs.
25 posted on 04/07/2004 9:00:23 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: RightFighter
I would have used a high volume well used fax machine to send a tip. That way, you would have done your own duty, and the ball would have been in the USSC's court. Unlike posting on the web, or sending email, any tracing would end at a fax machine used by many. So they would have surmised that the tip had come from the place of employment of the perp [in and of itself a credibility factor], but you would have remained anonymous. Lesser of evils, etc.
26 posted on 04/07/2004 9:01:04 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: wideminded
How did they get a picture of you?

Drivers license photo, from what I'm told.

27 posted on 04/07/2004 9:01:54 AM PDT by RightFighter
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To: Itzlzha
Amen. No good deed goes unpunished.
28 posted on 04/07/2004 9:02:19 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: kenth
Smile, you're on Big Brother camera!
29 posted on 04/07/2004 9:03:29 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Calpernia
PING
30 posted on 04/07/2004 9:03:59 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (The way to defeat America, bloodless takeover, is to stop shipping food and supplies in from oversea)
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To: wideminded
It was probably his DMV photo.
31 posted on 04/07/2004 9:04:36 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: RightFighter
We're paying the FBI to FReep at work? Great.
32 posted on 04/07/2004 9:06:14 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm; RightFighter
Hunting you down through the IPS is amazing.

If they did that for you, can you IMAGINE how busy they must be hunting down people from DU?????

The DU administrater must have a subpoena punch card.
33 posted on 04/07/2004 9:06:32 AM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: cynicom
Yep and double yep.
34 posted on 04/07/2004 9:06:38 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Old Sarge
There are still too many USSS agents loyal to HRC.

Why? Everything I ever heard about her indicates that she treated them like garbage.

35 posted on 04/07/2004 9:06:39 AM PDT by JimRed (Fight election fraud! Volunteer as a local poll watcher, challenger or district official.)
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
Hey, we'll get our turn at being hunted down for thought crime when Hillary, or Kerry, gets elected.
36 posted on 04/07/2004 9:08:06 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: RightFighter
I would say that if you expected different, you were naïve.
37 posted on 04/07/2004 9:08:27 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RightFighter
Dontcha wonder what is in your FBI file now? LOL.
38 posted on 04/07/2004 9:10:34 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: cynicom
When it comes to ANY federal badge carrier, you know nothing, you see nothing, and most of all, you SAY NOTHING.


Agreed. All LEOs should be viewed as suspect.

39 posted on 04/07/2004 9:13:42 AM PDT by society-by-contract
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To: Old Sarge
your daft
40 posted on 04/07/2004 9:15:07 AM PDT by Walkingfeather
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