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Up to 12 Marines Reported Killed in Ramadi (CNN)
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Posted on 04/06/2004 2:20:28 PM PDT by victoryatallcosts

It sounds like there's quite the fight going on. Let's crush the bastards/


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: alsadr; fallen; iraq; mahdiarmy; marines; muslims; ramadi; religionofdeath; religionofpieces; scumsuckingcameljox; sowhat; stophillary; theirchoice
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To: fooman
SCORCH THE SUNNI TRIANGLE - TAKE THEM ALL OUT! It would send a STRONG message!
21 posted on 04/06/2004 2:28:17 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: threat matrix
That guy is not the main reason at all. He is but a player in a sea of militant Islamic ideology. Eliminating him, will not eliminate the terror and murder against Americans. The Militant Ideology of Islam must be targetted, the ideology which is brainwashing people, etc. throughout the Arab and Islamic world - causing them to take up arms, with government approval and support, and go to Iraq to murder Americans. Until that happens, it won't matter how many terrorists are killed or caputred in Iraq by US forces. This ideology, spread by Islamic and Arab governments, their mosques, their schools, their media, etc. must be declared enemy, first of all, and then targetted using economic and military means.
22 posted on 04/06/2004 2:28:37 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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Time to lift restrain off the Armed forces in IRAQ

This soft approach is getting too many American GIs Killed .......
23 posted on 04/06/2004 2:28:59 PM PDT by KQQL (@)
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To: Integrityrocks
Yes you are right...

PRAYERS FOR ALL AMERICANS IN IRAQ !!!!!!!
24 posted on 04/06/2004 2:30:27 PM PDT by KQQL (@)
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To: yonif
Correct, the mosques which preach the extremist doctrines must have their feet held to the fire at all times.. that is the only way to solve this issue
25 posted on 04/06/2004 2:30:31 PM PDT by threat matrix
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To: KQQL
I want operation E=MC squared and I want it now.
26 posted on 04/06/2004 2:30:43 PM PDT by PfromHoGro (The W knows.)
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To: victoryatallcosts
The Tet Offensive is supposed to happen closer to 6/30 I think.
27 posted on 04/06/2004 2:31:15 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Integrityrocks
Yes you are right...

PRAYERS FOR ALL AMERICANS IN IRAQ !!!!!!!

and all others nations who supporetd AMericans in Iraq
28 posted on 04/06/2004 2:31:16 PM PDT by KQQL (@)
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To: KQQL
I will repeat what an IDF officer said when the deathtoll was 100 or so American troops. He said the US needs to stop worrying about how it will look on TV, when it comes to getting the terrorists or protecting its troops (like the usage of tanks, etc.).
29 posted on 04/06/2004 2:31:41 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: All
A lot of this is choice of words. "Pitched battle". "Intense fighting not before seen." Casualty count? A handful. Think about this. Think of it from WW II perspectives. These would have been called minor skirmishes and the casualties called mercifully low.

Words don't change numbers. These casualty counts are not high. This victory is not being achieved at a "huge" cost. This is rather good prosecution of a way -- though I do remain puzzled by the lack of airpower use.
30 posted on 04/06/2004 2:31:53 PM PDT by Owen
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To: victoryatallcosts
We can all look forward to another "uplifting" night on the evening news casts.
31 posted on 04/06/2004 2:31:57 PM PDT by Bush Cheney
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To: P from Sheb
TIME TO FLATTEN SUNNI TRAINGLE AND SEND THESE A H TO THEIR 72 VIRGINS NOW !!
32 posted on 04/06/2004 2:32:35 PM PDT by KQQL (@)
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To: victoryatallcosts
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20040406/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

64 Iraqis Die in Battle With U.S. Forces
4 minutes ago

By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer

NAJAF, Iraq - Iraqi insurgents and rebellious Shiites challenged the U.S.-led occupation force on two fronts Tuesday, mounting a string of attacks across the south and fighting pitched battles against Marines in the turbulent city of Fallujah.

Sixty-four Iraqis and two coalition soldiers — including an American — died in the violence Tuesday, bringing the three-day total to 18 Americans and 134 Iraqis killed in the worst fighting since the war that toppled Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).

On the Fallujah front, Marines drove into the center of the Sunni city in heavy fighting before pulling back before nightfall. The assault had been promised after the brutal killings and mutilations of four American civilians there last week. Hospital officials said eight Iraqis died Tuesday and 20 were wounded, including women and children.

U.S. warplanes firing rockets destroyed four houses in Fallujah late Tuesday, witnesses said. A doctor said 26 Iraqis, including women and children, were killed and 30 wounded in the strike. The rockets destroyed the houses in two neighborhoods in the city after nightfall, the witnesses said.

The dusty, Euphrates River city 35 miles west of Baghdad is a stronghold of the anti-U.S. insurgency that sprang up shortly after Saddam's ouster a year ago.

U.S. authorities also launched a crackdown on radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his militia after a series of weekend uprisings in Baghdad and cities and towns to the south that took a heavy toll in both American and Iraqi lives.

The fighting marks the first major outbreak of violence between the U.S.-led occupation force and the Shiites since Baghdad fell a year ago. The 30-year-old al-Sadr, however, does not have a large following among majority Shiites — many see him as a renegade, too young and too headstrong to lead wisely.

With fighting intensifying ahead of the June 30 handover of power to an Iraqi government, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld said American commanders in Iraq (news - web sites) would get additional troops if needed. None has asked so far, he said.

State Department deputy spokesman Adam Ereli said al-Sadr and his followers were not representative of a religious cause but of "political gangsterism."

"They're not acting in the name of religion, they're acting in the name of arrogating for themselves political power and influence through violence, because they can't get it through peaceful persuasion," he said.

In the latest U.S. deaths, five Marines were killed Monday — one in Fallujah and the others on the western outskirts of Baghdad — and five U.S. soldiers were killed in attacks in Baghdad, Kirkuk and Mosul on Monday and Tuesday. Eight Americans were killed in Sadr City on Sunday. At least 614 American troops have died in Iraq since the war began.

Marines waged a fierce battle for hours Tuesday with gunmen holed up in a residential neighborhood of Fallujah. The military used a deadly AC-130 gunship to lay down a barrage of fire against guerrillas, and commanders said Marines were holding an area several blocks deep inside the city. At least two Marines were wounded.

The crackdown on al-Sadr, who has drawn backing from young and impoverished Shiites with rousing sermons demanding a U.S. withdrawal, sent his black-garbed militiamen against coalition troops Sunday, Monday and Tuesday.

Fighting in the southern cities of Nasiriyah, Kut, Karbala and Amarah and in a northern Baghdad neighborhood killed 30 Iraqis, coalition military officials said. Tuesday evening, gunfire was heard in another part of Baghdad, Sadr City, where fierce battles occurred Sunday, residents said.

Fearing a U.S. move to arrest him, al-Sadr on Tuesday left a fortress-like mosque in the city of Kufa, south of Baghdad, where he had been holed up for days, his aides said.

Al-Sadr issued a statement saying he was ready to die to oust the Americans. He urged his followers to resist foreign forces.

"America has shown its evil intentions, and the proud Iraqi people cannot accept it. They must defend their rights by any means they see fit," the al-Sadr statement said.

"I'm prepared to have my own blood shed for what is holy to me," he said.

Al-Sadr moved to his main office in Najaf, in an alley near the city's holiest shrine, according to a top aide, Sheik Qays al-Khaz'ali. Hundreds of militiamen were protecting the office Tuesday, but there was no independent confirmation al-Sadr was there.

Perhaps more worrisome than the current fight with al-Sadr's forces is the possibility that he will start drawing support from more mainstream Shiite leaders who have largely supported the Americans until now.

The U.S.-led coalition announced a murder warrant against al-Sadr on Monday and suggested it would move to capture him soon. U.S. officials would not explain why they were only releasing word of the warrant Monday. They said an unnamed Iraqi judge had issued it in the past months.

Still, the heavy battles over the past three days showed that even with limited backing, al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army militia is capable of a damaging fight.

The militiamen clashed with coalition troops Sunday in Baghdad and outside Najaf in fierce fighting that killed 61 people, including eight American soldiers.

In Nasiriyah on Tuesday, 15 Iraqis were killed and 35 wounded in clashes between militiamen and Italian troops, coalition spokeswoman Paola Della Casa told an Italian news agency Apcom. Eleven Italians troops were slightly wounded.

Della Casa said the Iraqi attackers used civilians as human shields, and a woman and two children were among the dead.

Fighting overnight in Amarah between al-Sadr's followers and British troops killed 15 Iraqis and wounded eight, said coalition spokesman Wun Hornbyckle.

In Kut, militiamen attacked an armored personnel carrier carrying Ukrainian soldiers, killing one and wounding five, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said. Two militiamen were killed in the fight. Ukraine has about 1,650 troops in Iraq.

U.S. Marines encircled Fallujah early Monday, and on Tuesday, they penetrated several central neighborhoods for the first time. Mortar and rocket-propelled grenade blasts were heard, and one witness said a Humvee was ablaze.

Heavy fighting also occurred between Marines entrenched in the desert and guerrillas firing from houses on Fallujah's northeast outskirts. For hours into the night, the sides traded fire, while teams of Marines moved in and out of the neighborhood, seizing buildings to use as posts and battling gunmen. Helicopters weaved overhead, firing at guerrilla hide-outs.

"We are several blocks deep in the city of Fallujah," Marine Maj. Briandon McGolwan said. He said several helicopters were hit by small arms fire, but none were downed. He said Marines had detained 14 people since Monday.

L. Paul Bremer, the top civilian administrator in Iraq, conceded not all was going smoothly as the coalition approached the June 30 handover, a date he said was inviolable.

"We have problems, there's no hiding that. But basically Iraq is on track to realize the kind of Iraq that Iraqis want and Americans want, which is a democratic Iraq," he said on ABC's "Good Morning America."

Also Tuesday, two South Korean aid workers were set free, a day after being detained by a Shiite group in southern Iraq, a South Korean Foreign Ministry official said. The two men were doing relief work in Nasiriyah on Monday when shooting erupted between Italian forces and Shiite militiamen, said the official.

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Associated Press reporters Bassem Mroue and Lourdes Navarro contributed to this report from Fallujah
33 posted on 04/06/2004 2:32:38 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: victoryatallcosts
We'll get through it. But it's looking rough.

Already, the toughest month for the USA in terms of fatalities, in the whole long year of this Iraq Liberation War, had been last year, April 2003. That month averaged 2.3 American troop deaths a day on our side, for a total of 73 KIA for 30 days.

However, just in April 2004 alone, with has been underway for six days, (and outside of today's deaths that have occured or are occuring and are reported by some to be double digit in the last 24 hours), the total US KIA has been 23 for April. That comes out to a rate of about 4.17 American KIA a day compared to last year.

We are getting into the shit, right into it. The enemy had better be made to pay for it. I think as many do here, and support our troops to that end, that there should be zero tolerance of resistance organizations in Iraq from this day out. Screw nation building and school construction and employment centers and soccer fields for now. Every last man to arms to annihilate these scum from the earth.

And it may take increased US and UK troops strength. That, no doubt, is what Tony will talk to W in Washington next week. Stay tuned.

34 posted on 04/06/2004 2:32:55 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Another vote here for Bush, only IF Congress ends up defeating his illegal immigration amnesty law)
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To: threat matrix
Correct, the mosques which preach the extremist doctrines must have their feet held to the fire at all times.. that is the only way to solve this issue

Political correctness has other ideas.

35 posted on 04/06/2004 2:32:55 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: nypokerface
This is very difficult. But it's now or later.

Anyone who thinks that Saddam and his regime would not have attacked when we least expected, particularly Israel, is a fool.

My heart goes out to our soldiers and their families. War is hell. We are praying for you.

36 posted on 04/06/2004 2:33:04 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: KQQL
This is not good...30 Americans dead in 4 days. Watch for Bush numbers to fall apart !

I expect his numbers to rise -- rally 'round the flag and all that. Also, while the deaths are always awful, we probably lost 30 soldiers in 30 seconds on Omaha Beach. Freedom isn't cheap and I think most Americans realize that.

37 posted on 04/06/2004 2:34:20 PM PDT by inkling
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To: KQQL
This is not good...30 Americans dead in 4 days. Watch for Bush numbers to fall apart !

As he deserves, to be frank. This is what the outside military analysts mean by an "overcautious" DoD. Not enough troops. Too squeamish in battle to use overwhelming force and stomach the civis in body bags. I knew we were in trouble the moment that pussy Bremer got the "Judge" to issue a "warrant" for Al Sadr, instead of just killing him from above as would the Israelis without hesitation (they would also have stormed his mosque). We seem perilously close to John Kerry's "law enforcement" approach to terror, which the Bushies have excoriated, but are practicing nonetheless.

38 posted on 04/06/2004 2:34:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: KQQL
Because people still don't get why we are there. Meaning-- a damn good reason why we are there. If people were supportive of that, these casualties wouldn't hurt him as badly politically. People hear about WMD and then learn they aren't there. They hear about liberation and bringing them democracy and think Bush is naive to think these people will be able to exist as one nation, with liberty and justice for all.
39 posted on 04/06/2004 2:34:38 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: victoryatallcosts
Let's kick the Shiite out of them.
40 posted on 04/06/2004 2:34:59 PM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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