'No guns allowed' is sign of times as law takes effect. (OHIO)

The Vindicator ^ | April 4, 2004 | PATRICIA MEADE

[FierceDraka]

Were I a merchant operating in Ohio (Something I would never lower myself to, being a proud Hoosier! Just kidding, Buckeyes!), I would post a sign saying "Armed Citizens Welcome Here - Thieves Beware".

[jjm2111]

I love "for your convenience, you will be added...". That's too funny.

[Chewbacca]

If you put up a sign barring CCW then the owner of the store becomes liable for the protection of the customers who were denied the right of self defense if criminals decide to rob the place or threaten the lives of those withing the store.

[MissTargets]

Unless they make everyone walk through a metal detector-how would they know if someone with a concealed gun permit brought his gun with him?

After going through the training ($150 and up),permit ($45),and time, most would not want to take the chance of felony charges, for carrying where you are not allowed.

[MissTargets]

Any business, with these signs, will not get of my money. They will be treated as I would the non-smoking places.
Sure, it's their right to ban what they want, but I sure don't have to patronize them.

[MissTargets]

I will make a point of it. Thanks.

[7.62 x 51mm]

"Pennsylvania has had a right-to-carry law since 1989."

I moved to southcentral Penna, from NJ, in '89, and haven't ever seen such a sign posted anywhere. The businesses who don't permit concealed carriers inside, are ripe picking for criminals.

Those of us who carry concealed don't advertise it to non-friends and family. I've been very surprised over the past 14 yrs at the number of my horticulture business's customers who do carry, and who appreciate the number of black rifles, Kimbers, Colts, H&Ks, Glocks and unusual assortment of Class 3 weapons I have in my dbl-wide Canon gunsafe.

I'm glad to see that Ohio's regained some semblance of normalcy and sanity in allowing CCW.

I hate that word *regained*; the 2nd Amendment should never have been in dispute.

[MissTargets]

"Concealed Handguns Proudly Permitted"

I love it!

[MissTargets]

Mahoning County (this newspaper's home town), is right on the border of PA. Any news of a permit holder breaking the law, would be big news. It has never happened. This area is "blue" country all the way. The good news is, that the training classes for CCW have been booming.

[MissTargets]

What is the feeling, on these anti-CCW signs, in your areas?

[7.62 x 51mm]

Excellent news.

[El Gato]

Lots of signs went up in Texas when the CHL law was first passed. Most of them weren't the sign required by law, but the places posting them still got on the "do not patronize" data base at the Texas State Rifle Association website. Most of the signs have come down now, with a little help from a building owners association legal opinion that any business posting could be held liable if a CHL holder, or a non holder if a holder were present, was injured or killed by a criminal while in their business but the CHL holder was prevented by the sign (which have the force of law) from being armed. In fact most of the signs one saw, the legal ones that is, were at state and local government offices, until the legislature told them they couldn't post such signs unless authorized by the legislature itself.

If Texas didn't turn into the Wild East (which was wilder and more dangerous than the "Wild West"), I don't suppose Ohio will either.

[El Gato]

The idea of guns inside Komara Jewelers would make the employees very nervous, owner Bob Komara said from his Canfield Road store. "Because of the nature of our business, I definitely will post signs," he said.

Yes, like someone about to commite grand theft and armed robbery is going to care about the sign. NOT! Mr. Komara has just put his employees in greater danger than they were before, wether THEY are allowed to be armed or not. Because as we all know: so called "Gun Free Zones" are really "Unarmed Victim Zones".

[El Gato]

Here's what's going to happen:
Two shopping carts bump together. Fool A insults Drunk B, Drunk B pulls gun and shoots. Drunk B hits Innocent Bystander C. Innocent Bystander C sues, not Drunk B, but Deep Pockets, Inc., the establishment they are patronizing, saying that they could have prevented the incident by posting signs, just like other merchants have. The store settles, and every merchant in the state has a sign up the next day.

Strange that hasn't happend in those 30+ states that have instituted Shall Issue CCW/CHL programs before Ohio. Not even Florida turned into the GunShine State. Just as likely is:

Gang Banger A enters store with intent to rob. CHL holder B attempts to stop assault on Clerk C, but being a law abiding citizen must do so with bare hands, because Deep Pockets Inc has the gun/slash sign. CHL holder B is shot and sues Deep Pockets Inc, for his injuries (or his survivors sue for really big bucks). Signs come down all over the state.

[Lockbar]

LOL, Pro-Gun groups in Ohio should establish a web-site listing the addresses of all stores that prohibit concealed carry guns as "safe havens for criminal activities" and gun owners should boycott that establishment. Of course they will probably be sued if it can be proved that a criminal used their web site to get an address to rob a store. No logic to it, as the "no guns" signs on the front door will be an invitation to criminals anyway, but that doesn't matter.

[Lockbar]

LOL, Pro-Gun groups in Ohio should establish a web-site listing the addresses of all stores that prohibit concealed carry guns as "safe havens for criminal activities" and gun owners should boycott that establishment. Of course they will probably be sued if it can be proved that a criminal used their web site to get an address to rob a store. No logic to it, as the "no guns" signs on the front door will be an invitation to criminals anyway, but that doesn't matter.

[El Gato]

Why can't someone with a CCW permit carry his weapon into city hall when he pays for his dog license or something like that?

In Texas, they can. Because the people, through the legislature, forbid government bureacrats from putting up the 30.06 signs (the numbers refers not to what you might thin, but rather the appropriate section of the Texas code which specifies the requirements for the signage). The leg determined, just the last session in fact, that those bureacrats are not the owners of the buildings/offices, the People are. So you can even CCW at the Department of Public Safety driver's license bureau. There are some exceptions, but not many.

[El Gato]

LOL, Pro-Gun groups in Ohio should establish a web-site listing the addresses of all stores that prohibit concealed carry guns as "safe havens for criminal activities" and gun owners should boycott that establishment. Of course they will probably be sued if it can be proved that a criminal used their web site to get an address to rob a store. No logic to it, as the "no guns" signs on the front door will be an invitation to criminals anyway, but that doesn't matter.

The Texas State Rifle Association has established just such a web site/list. Rather than suing, most business scramble to get off the list ASAP when they find they have been put on it. The businesses may not value their customers' lives, but they do value their money.

[Deadeye Division]

bttt

[ExSoldier]

There was a problem a few years ago with some businesses here in South Florida pulling that crap. My gun club used to take a Saturday morning and "meet for breakfast" at Denny's. All forty of us would walk in and ask to be seated. Then just as this was being done one of us would "notice" the sign and we'd all just get mad and storm out and go to the next Denny's with a sign. Later we did the same thing to Blockbuster Video stores. Worked like a charm.

In Florida the way this works is that any business posting a sign has got to first "detect" the person with the weapon. Then they are asked to leave the premises. If they return the same day with the weapon still in their possession and are again detected, they can be arrested for the misdemeanor offense of "Trespass After Warning." Does anybody know if this is the case in Ohio?