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Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints
April 5, 2004 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 04/05/2004 3:53:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 05/27/2014 11:31:00 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Note: Don't post anything at all from the Las Vegas Review Journal or anything from organizations run by Stevens Media, LLC or RightHaven, LLC until the lawsuit brought against us by them is resolved.

Here's an updated alphabetical list of the sites that have complained about copyright violations thus far. The posting program will only allow excerpts and or deny posting where designated from the following sites:

These sites must be excerpted and linked only [300 words or less, 1/2 the words or less for short articles]:

All McClatchy sources must be excerpted and linked.

These publishers have asked us not to allow any material at all to be posted to FR:

05/06/04 -

Received another letter from Gannett Publications, publisher of USAToday, and several other newspapers. Due to contractual arrangements they have with third-party content providers, they have denied our request to allow posting of excerpts. They will only allow the posting of titles and links.

Please do not post full text or even excerpts from the following Gannett Web sites:

GANNETT NEWSPAPERS ON THE WEB:

We will eventually add a link to this list from our posting program. In the meantime, you can find it by searching on "copyright list."


In addition to all of the above, do not post articles written by Maralyn Lois Polak per her copyright complaint. Her column usually appears on WorldNetDaily.

Also, do not post images from Corbis or Getty.

Thanks,

Jim

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New York Times must be excerpted.

All material from the Associated Press must be excerpted regardless of source (very brief excerpts). AP photos are not allowed.

Photographs, pictures, images, graphs etc may not be posted if the websites are on the lists or added in any of the posts below.

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To: Born Conservative

"Have your views and opinions changed since you were in high school? I know mine sure have."
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Just read your post Born Conservative, LOL, and wondering aloud, doesn't your FR name differ from what you just said?

Don't care to debate; just an observation. :-)


421 posted on 07/14/2004 9:07:36 PM PDT by JLO
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To: arasina

Oh you mean like the proper economical way the government's no call list legislation should have been done? You have to specifically call to put your name and phone number on the list for the telemarketers to call you - would have taken a solitary person with a phone a steno pad and pencil to do it. Sadly the one original steno pad would have probably carried the person through a 35 year career.


422 posted on 07/14/2004 9:38:06 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Robert_Paulson2

There are some conservatives who are on the wrong side of the freedom of the internet (those trying to shut down file sharing etc.)

However, I have been more and more surprised just how many conservatives ARE on the right side.

Honestly, this seems to be coming mostly from the left.


423 posted on 07/14/2004 9:49:12 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Robert_Paulson2; Jim Robinson; John Robinson

Perhaps we could add a link to bugmenot.com on the main page or on the posting page?

If they do not want us to post their material, we can post links (they can't sue us for posting links) at least. If their sites require free registration, we can simply link to Bugmenot.com so people can login to see the work on their sites without having to register.

If they want to push us around, we can push back.

And I do not believe it would be illegal of us to post a link to that site for Freepers to use. The site does nothing illegal by posting logins to free websites.


424 posted on 07/14/2004 9:54:25 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: rwfromkansas; Jim Robinson; John Robinson

I think it's time for us to contact Rupert Murdoch, and ask him for a little help... loan us a few lawyers and some free press support, to take the "harpies" down a few notches.

He's a maverick.
His associates planned and executed the brilliant fox news network plan...

They might have some useful angles of approach for us.
Anybody talk to Roger Ailes? Mark Levin (for an estimate of what a useful case might cost us all in round dollars?)

Ultimately Jim, a warrior, just may not have the heart for another confrontation at this time... I would understand that. but sticking it to the bad guys? would indeed be "priceless."


425 posted on 07/14/2004 11:20:45 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (the madridification of our election is now officially underway.)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
I can't believe this is happening! We have to put a stop to these pirates, these highwaymen of the internet. I do believe that if someone puts something out on the internet, it is in the public domain and it is as good as freeware. There should be a technical way to block its use without resorting to blackmail.
426 posted on 07/14/2004 11:54:49 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: StayAt HomeMother
We are using copyright laws written for the age of the Royal typewriter and applying them to the modern internet. WE have not reformed these laws to conform with the information age in a fair and equitable manner. This is the stuff that we the people must change. I do not know how the battle should start, but I am absolutely shocked that a monster has been allowed to sneak into the room to devour us.
427 posted on 07/15/2004 12:09:54 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Amelia
I think it is a natural thing for students just learning how to use the internet to cut and paste. As they get more advanced, they can start learning how to put things into their own words. I have watched my son cut a picture of daisies and then take each flower and rearrange them in a window in a crystal vase. Would he have learned how to do this in Power Point if he could not copy that daisy? My son has been able to run circles around the best Power Point users since he was 14.

As for his ability to write a report without cutting and pasting the entire report, that has been replaced with footnoted quotes to support his thesis. This is something that has been done for ages and nobody has ever thrown the fear of lawsuit for something cited in a thesis.
428 posted on 07/15/2004 12:25:06 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: rwfromkansas
There are some conservatives who are on the wrong side of the freedom of the internet (those trying to shut down file sharing etc.)

I am a supporter and upholder of intellectual property rights. Those who create and distribute content should be able to profit from their efforts. That is fair and it encourages creativity. I understand there are issues to debate, but there are some bottom lines here.

There were people in my software company who were fired for sharing other company's properties out over the Internet, and rightly so.

429 posted on 07/15/2004 12:37:58 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: JLO
doesn't your FR name differ from what you just said?

Let me clarify. You can still be conservative, and have a change in viewpoint from one point in your life to another. When I was a teenager in the late 1970's, 2nd amendment issues meant nothing to me. Yet today, I hold them to be very important. Teenagers are very impressionable, and oftentimes easily swayed in one direction or another. I look back now at some of the things I learned in high school, and one thing that sticks out is our history lessons. I distinctly remember passages from some of our history books stating that America is "imperialistic". Back then, that didn't mean much to me. Today, I find it offensive that a text book would contain such biased information that is presented as fact. My parents, although essentially conservative, were basically a-political, so political issues were rarely discussed in our house. Besides, back then I didn't have access to Free Republic. On the surface, your observation is valid. Hopefully, this will help to clarify my previous statement.

430 posted on 07/15/2004 3:14:24 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry)
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To: jonrick46
I do believe that if someone puts something out on the internet, it is in the public domain and it is as good as freeware.

You might feel differently if it was YOUR information -- especially if you made your living creating intellectual property.

The fact that there are scumbag lawyers who abuse the fair use provision of copyright law does not mean that it's right to go to the other extreme.

There are concepts such as "baby" and "bathwater" to keep in mind.

But let's take your logic and run with it and see where it takes us.

* The fact that someone leaves his front door unlocked means that it's OK for me to enter his house and take whatever I like.

* The fact that someone leaves his keys in his car means that it's OK for me to take it for a drive.

* The fact that a farmer doesn't fence in his field means that it's OK for me to go and pick his tomatoes, corn, and so forth, and take it without paying him.

Well, we could keep on going in that direction, but frankly I don't really like where it's taking us.

So I'll conclude by saying that the fact that it's easy for someone to steal something does not mean that it's right for them to steal it.

431 posted on 07/15/2004 3:32:41 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: rwfromkansas
There are some conservatives who are on the wrong side of the freedom of the internet (those trying to shut down file sharing etc.)

No real conservative would advocate a "right" to "share" something that doesn't belong to them in the first place.

"Sharing" something that you don't own is commonly known as "fencing stolen property", and receiving it, well, the definition is obvious. ;)

432 posted on 07/15/2004 3:40:11 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother
I resent our fourteen year olds having to consider how their ideas might look when they are forty years older and running for office.

Did you think the public had a right to see Hillary Rodham's thesis from Wellesley college when she ran for Senate? Many on this site did.

And I resent this commercial site getting and archiving my child's intellectual property for free...But the public school system MANDATES my child's term papers be submitted to this company.

Have you complained to your school and school board? Do other parents agree with you? In the end, what your local public school does is a local issue.

As I teacher I know there are other methods of detecting plagiarism that don't require use of outside sites, but do require more effort (and a bit of technical savvy) by the teacher.

433 posted on 07/15/2004 4:18:10 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: jonrick46
As for his ability to write a report without cutting and pasting the entire report, that has been replaced with footnoted quotes to support his thesis. This is something that has been done for ages and nobody has ever thrown the fear of lawsuit for something cited in a thesis.

I don't think anyone is threatening lawsuits for something properly cited.

I have personally had students cut entire Encarta articles, paste them into a Word document, retitle them, and submit the articles as their own work.

There is a difference, and if students are old enough to use the internet as a source for their reports, they are old enough to know that cutting and pasting the article is wrong.

434 posted on 07/15/2004 4:22:24 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia
The basis of this thread is that a growing number of sources will not allow FreeRepublic to use excerpted material, even when it is fully and properly attributed. This precedent could have a chilling effect on ALL research and discussion.

Yes, I do think the writer of a college thesis is (or should be) held more responsible for what they write than is (or should be) the fourteen year old who is just learning what a "term paper" is (and who is just learning how to use footnotes to cite excerpts).

As for complaining to the School Board - no luck there. (Are you surprised to learn they are overwhelmingly democrats?)
435 posted on 07/15/2004 5:44:56 AM PDT by StayAt HomeMother
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To: StayAt HomeMother
The basis of this thread is that a growing number of sources will not allow FreeRepublic to use excerpted material, even when it is fully and properly attributed.

You'll notice that my first post on this thread questions why this is. It actually seems prejudicial to FR in my opinion, because I know that LibertyPost, for instance, posts full text articles with a "free use" disclaimer at the end of each, and apparently has never been targeted by the copyright nazis. Of course, LP may not get enough readers for anyone to care.

Yes, I do think the writer of a college thesis is (or should be) held more responsible for what they write than is (or should be) the fourteen year old who is just learning what a "term paper" is (and who is just learning how to use footnotes to cite excerpts).

As far as I'm concerned, any child who is old enough to do research and write about it is old enough to learn that copying word for word is wrong. Yes, it takes a little longer to teach them to cite properly and that changing just one word is still plagiarism, but 14 year olds are certainly old enough to know that cutting and pasting is wrong.

As far as opinions go, however, I'm not sure I'd want to be held accountable now for what I thought and believed in my teens or even early 20s, because I'm sure I was much more liberal at that time.

As for complaining to the School Board - no luck there. (Are you surprised to learn they are overwhelmingly democrats?)

Any other like-minded parents? Particularly if you frame it as a privacy issue? School boards respond better to vocal groups than to one vocal parent, in my experience.

Many of those I've known have been polical animals, not educators, and either in it because of some perceived wrong their child has suffered at some point or because they like the power and recognition. They often seem to be driven by emotion rather than logic, and may not be well educated at all themselves. Of course, that's where I've lived, your experiences may differ.

436 posted on 07/15/2004 4:39:48 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Don Joe
The cable TV industry uses technology to keep people paying for pay-for-view movies rather than getting them free with cheater boxes. A photographer will put his logo on wedding proofs to prevent copies being made. In the computer world, one could have software to protect one's copy write material rather than stiff-arming someone who copied and pasted for resource material and had this raw material get inserted without citation into report.
437 posted on 07/15/2004 6:19:10 PM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Born Conservative

"Besides, back then I didn't have access to Free Republic"

Hey, that was my point, LOL. Just a josh, ok? No one is born one way or the other.

*Smile*


438 posted on 07/16/2004 4:32:58 PM PDT by JLO
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To: jonrick46; Bush2000
The cable TV industry uses technology to keep people paying for pay-for-view movies rather than getting them free with cheater boxes. A photographer will put his logo on wedding proofs to prevent copies being made. In the computer world, one could have software to protect one's copy write material rather than stiff-arming someone who copied and pasted for resource material and had this raw material get inserted without citation into report.

And once again, I repeat my original point, evidently lost on you:

So I'll conclude by saying that the fact that it's easy for someone to steal something does not mean that it's right for them to steal it.

By your logic, if book publishers didn't want people to run off photocopies and/or scan and upload copies of their books, they should print on medium gray paper, with text printed with a slightly darker shade of medium gray ink.

This is something that computer game publisers did about 20 years ago -- with various key codes that had to be looked up each time the program was run.

It was nearly impossible to read the codes, but, it was something that could be done in order to run the game. (I was never a "gamer", but a friend's son showed me his game and sheet).

But, I could not imagine trying to read an entire book printed in that manner. And, common sense tells us that no one would other publishing books like that.

If printed book piracy ever reached a point that something like that had to be done to thward piracy, then the outcome would be certain: publishers would stop printing books, and go into some other line of work that was not subject to rampant theft.

And so would authors.

And as for the pirates?

Well, they'd be TSOL, with nothing left to steal.

That's how it works in the real world, after all.

You open a fruit stand in a rough neighborhood, and every day you get ripped off. Well, one of two things is gonna happen, sure as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.

Either something is gonna happen to the SOBs who rip you off, or, you're gonna pull up your stakes and move out of that neighborhood.

In the real world, any desirable resource that is subject to theft at a nontrivial level -- that cannot be protected against theft without destroying the market itself (i.e., if I put cyanide my my tomatoes, no one will steal them -- or buy them!), then the market will collapse, and the thieves will have nothing left to steal.

In the olden days, something vaguely similar was called "the tragedy of the commons." I say "vaguely" because "the commons" were indeed "common". Nowadays, it would be "the tragedy of my back 40", with a bunch of neoanarcons (tm) crying out, "He didn't put up a big enough fence to stop us, so it's OK for us to graze our cattle on his back 40! And besides, HE didn't grow the grass, NATURE grows the grass!"

The IP bandits love to argue that "better locks" are the solution -- and then, when "better locks" are implemented (i.e., DRM), they scream bloody murder.

What hypocrites!

But, I digress...

It is troubling, very troubling, to find such advocacy promulgated on a "conservative" venue.

When even "conservatives" yield to the temptation to steal anything that's not nailed down -- rationalizing that "if they didn't want to 'share' it, they'd have used bigger, better nails" (even as the "conservatives" cast about for "bigger, better prybars", then we're screwed.

Anarchy is at the gates.

439 posted on 07/18/2004 2:19:32 AM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: All

Added bloomberg.com to the excerpt and link only list.


440 posted on 07/19/2004 2:08:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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