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To: Alberta's Child
"Even those scientists who insist that it was a forgery are at a loss to explain how someone in the 12th century could possibly have created something that human beings cannot even create today."

The technique of making concrete was known to the Romans, then "lost" for hundreds of years.

As for how it could be created today ? - perhaps the answer would be to use the paints available at the time, store it in containers made of certain wood and metal which oxidizes, take it out into certain light and humidity conditions, perhaps wash it numerous times with water of different chemical properties in a specific order, hang it up allowing incense to permeate it, subject it to various temperatures from fires .... after hundreds of years of this, it may look exactly like the shroud.
46 posted on 04/05/2004 8:17:15 AM PDT by RS (Just because they're out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: RS
perhaps the answer would be to use the paints available at the time, store it in containers made of certain wood and metal which oxidizes, take it out into certain light and humidity conditions, perhaps wash it numerous times with water of different chemical properties in a specific order, hang it up allowing incense to permeate it, subject it to various temperatures from fires .... after hundreds of years of this, it may look exactly like the shroud.

The Shroud of Turin Conspiracy Theory....

53 posted on 04/05/2004 8:31:07 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: RS
The technique of making concrete was known to the Romans, then "lost" for hundreds of years.

There is also a flesh tone color in stained glass that has been lost. It's like Granny's muffins you remember from your childhood but she took the recipe to her grave and no one has been able to make them since. Things are lost or forgotten every day.

60 posted on 04/05/2004 8:38:53 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: RS
The technique of making concrete was known to the Romans, then "lost" for hundreds of years.

Your point would be valid on its face, but I don't think it is relevant unless you could show that the technique in question was "lost" and wasn't even able to be replicated by a society that was capable of transplanting human organs, mapping DNA, and landing men on the moon.

As for how it could be created today ? - perhaps the answer would be to use the paints available at the time, store it in containers made of certain wood and metal which oxidizes, take it out into certain light and humidity conditions, perhaps wash it numerous times with water of different chemical properties in a specific order, hang it up allowing incense to permeate it, subject it to various temperatures from fires .... after hundreds of years of this, it may look exactly like the shroud.

And if you sat a monkey down at a typewriter, he could eventually type a random sequence of letters, spaces, and punctuation in such a way that he replicates the Declaration of Independence.

Your "explanation" is typical of the last resort of a scientific process that is at a loss to explain something: Simply offer an explanation that can't possibly be adequately tested, and leave it at that.

61 posted on 04/05/2004 8:39:17 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE north strong and free.)
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To: RS
As for how it could be created today ? - perhaps the answer would be to use the paints available at the time

The image on the shroud isn't painted on. The scientific analysis shows that it's scorched into the linen.

97 posted on 04/05/2004 9:25:47 AM PDT by Campion
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To: RS
The technique of making concrete was known to the Romans, then "lost" for hundreds of years.

The technique was lost, but there was still plenty of actual concrete lying around. This is the one-and-only Shroud. There's more 1st-century linen around, but that's the only piece with an image. If whatever created the image were a natural phenomenon, surely it would have occurred more than once. If it were artificially created, science should have some inkling as to how.

I'm not completely convinced it's genuine, but I lean strongly that way.

149 posted on 04/05/2004 10:14:10 AM PDT by nina0113
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