Pastor aims to beat vote for alcohol (Compares selleing liquor to selling weapons to Saddam)

Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | 04/05/2004 | Jane Holleman

[jtminton]

WHITE SETTLEMENT - The battle to defeat a vote about alcohol sales has heated up with a flier that compares selling liquor to selling weapons to Saddam Hussein.

David Dye, pastor of Faith Baptist Fellowship Church, launched his anti-alcohol crusade before the May 15 vote by writing and handing out a pamphlet that refers to countries that armed Saddam. It reads in part: "People are going to drink anyways, we might as well make a profit from it. That must have been the same reasoning that the Europeans used, Saddam is going to torture, rape and kill anyway, we might as well profit from it."

Dye that said he will be campaigning from the pulpit and is planning an anti-booze rally this month.

"The gentle storm is about to begin," Dye said.

Ron White, a member of the Citizens for Progress committee that got the issue onto the ballot, said, "What really gets me about this is: Methinks thou dost protest too much."

The group submitted two petitions, one to allow sales of beer and wine in grocery stores and one to allow mixed drinks in restaurants.

Proponents of alcohol sales have said that the city needs the businesses that being able to sell alcohol would attract.

Jack Cook, pastor of Wyatt Drive Baptist Church, said that while he didn't have anything to do with the fliers, he agrees with Dye that alcohol should not be sold in the city.

"I don't believe in protests, any of that kind of stuff," Cook said. "What I recommend to my people is to go down there and vote against it. The Scripture says, 'Touch not the drink that moves in the glass.' If the word of God says don't do it, I believe that."

Even if Dye's approach has a hellfire bent, his theology is correct, Cook said.

"He's saying that the city is just looking at it from the profits," Cook said of the pamphlet.

"I agree with him on the scriptural points, but there are places where he used language that is too strong."

The flier was intended to boost the power of the pulpit, Dye said.

"My idea is that if you think that it's wrong to make a profit off killing, then the same thought process is it's wrong to make a profit off alcohol," he said. "It has killed more people than Saddam Hussein."

The other side plans an awareness campaign, too, White said.

"We're not going to say anything negative," he said. "The folks who oppose it have gotten the wrong information. The preacher, he doesn't understand."

Cook said that he is counseling pastors to tell congregants that they must vote no.

"You can have progress all you want, but you're not going to change the word of God," Cook said.

[jtminton]

Is it just me, or is this guy going a little too far?

Also, does anybody know what verse he's using that says "Touch not the drink that moves in the glass"?

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[Xenalyte]

It reads in part: "People are going to drink anyways, we might as well make a profit from it. That must have been the same reasoning that the Europeans used, Saddam is going to torture, rape and kill anyway, we might as well profit from it."

Anyways? ANYWAYS? GRRRRRRR! Learn English!

[Hodar]

The Scripture says, 'Touch not the drink that moves in the glass.' If the word of God says don't do it, I believe that."

That rules out water, milk, soda and mercury. ... darn.

This blowhard is more concerned about his ego and a power play to force the public to his will; than anything else. I have not heard of this bible verse, maybe I'm just ignorant; or this 'Savior of mankind' made it up to suit his purpose. The good Lord gave us tar and feathers for a reason.

[Xenalyte]

Dye that said he will be campaigning from the pulpit and is planning an anti-booze rally this month.

In other news, attendance at Faith Baptist Fellowship Church is expected to drop off sharply during April.

[Xenalyte]

Also, does anybody know what verse he's using that says "Touch not the drink that moves in the glass"?

I Googled the phrase and came up empty. Methinks the reverend doth make up Bible phrases to suit his agenda.

[jtminton]

I couldn't find it either. I use eSword (a free Bible software that I HIGHLY recommend) and searched the 14 versions of the Bible that I have and couldn't find it. That guy should know better than to quote bunk scripture here in the middle of the Bible Belt.

[normy]

Lets see, Jesus not only drank drink, he turned water into an alchoholic beverage that was better than what everyone else had been drinking. Noah got so pissed drunk he passed out naked.

[steve-b]

The Scripture says, "Touch not the drink that moves in the glass."

I would think that even an atheist would refrain from drinking a fluid that moved under its own power.

[Little Ray]

Baptists will fight their hangovers and stagger to the polls to vote for a dry county...

[jtminton]

You gotta give them credit for trying to protect us from the evils of dancing, though.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Also, does anybody know what verse he's using that says "Touch not the drink that moves in the glass"?

He made it up. Wonder what else he makes up. Someone should clue him in about the miracle at Cana.

[sharktrager]

This one is a city vote. Liquor laws in texas are weird and vary from town to town.

[theFIRMbss]

>That guy should know better than to quote bunk scripture here in the middle of the Bible Belt

Or here on the net.
I think this translation might
be a partial rip

from Leviticus:

Leviticus 10:8-10 --

Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying: "Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, that you may distinguish between holy and unholy...

He leaves off the second phrase,
if he got it here.

[Oztrich Boy]

It's probably Proverbs 23:31 Do not look at wine when it is red, when it sparkles in the cup and goes down smoothly (RSV)

Speaking personally that proverb makes no sense at all.

KJV translation is closer to his quote, but he still seems to be using his own translation.

[Modernman]

So, you can't be drunk in church? Curses.

[looscnnn]

Kinda like SC. Here it is by county. Blue laws should be handled on the state level, they affect state revenue (taxes).

[aruanan]

Dye that said he will be campaigning from the pulpit and is planning an anti-booze rally this month.

Dye is an idiot. Perhaps a well-meaning idiot, but an idiot nonetheless who apparently doesn't bother to read his Bible. He has been infected with the idea that politics is the tool to use to transform society. Funny, a Baptist advocating a Marxist approach to social engineering.

[AppyPappy]

Some of this is a carryover from the Prohibition days. Women led the Temperance Movement because their marriages were being ruined by cheap, hard liquor. Remember, in those days a family could starve if the man of the household decided to drink up the family's money. My in-laws lived that life.

This is a new day. Now women can work and there is a safety net for families. Alcohol has less power over society. Drugs has replaced alcohol as the family destroyer. Also the man of the house can commit adultery and kill his wife with the effects(AIDS) of that lifestyle.

[Chi-townChief]

He certainly nails it here:

"... the same reasoning that the Europeans used, Saddam is going to torture, rape and kill anyway, we might as well profit from it."