H.J. Heinz Company Seeks to Keep Name Out of Presidential Race

miami.com ^ | Mon, Mar. 29, 2004 | James O'Toole

[Destro]

Heinz Company Does Not Outsource - Those who say so don't know what outsourcing means

Posted on Mon, Mar. 29, 2004

H.J. Heinz Company Seeks to Keep Name Out of Presidential Race

By James O'Toole, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News

Kerry has repeatedly denounced "Benedict Arnold CEOs" who move American jobs overseas. In a major speech in Detroit yesterday, Kerry proposed changes in corporate tax laws designed to reduce incentives for American firms to transfer jobs and operations abroad.

The Heinz company's statement defended its foreign manufacturing operations, noting that they serve local markets around the world rather than producing goods for the domestic market. Sixty percent of the company's sales are outside the United States.

[Destro]

I posted this because many conservatives like Sean Hannity look stupid harping on the fact that Heinz has foreign manufacturing operations as a way to blast Kerry.

The fact is outsourcing is when something that used to be manufactured-serviced in America is exported and then re-introduced into America's domestic market.

Manufacturing something outside the USA for sale in a local foreign market is not outsourcing. In fact the food business can't manufacture food in the USA for export or import manufactured food products easily because they might spoil. Coca-Cola and Macdonalds all create local manucaturing for their products. Macdonald's went so far as to show the Russians how to plant and grow Macdonald sized potatoes.

Republicans need to smarten up or we will lose this election. We sound like idiots to people in swing states that know what outsourcing is and isn't.

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[anniegetyourgun]

Not half as funny as Kerry's "Benedict Arnold corporations" statement sounds to most of America!

[lt.america]

What is the life expectancy on a bottle of unopened, sealed, bottle of ketchup?

[thoughtomator]

Republicans need to smarten up...

True.

...or we will lose this election

Not a Jew's chance in Mecca for that to happen.

[Destro]

"Benedict Arnold corporations" according to Kerry are those that outsource. Deal with that issue. Are they or are they not? Explain why outsourcing is good for business. That is how to argue the charge. Rather the moron conervatives shoot themselves in the foot because they accept this argument by implying Heinz is also such an outsourcing company. In doing so - they accept the argument that outsourcing is bad and that is a plus for Democrats.

[Sybeck1]

Still not buying Heinz. Let Teresa announce this publicly and I might reconsider.

[VOA]

Republicans need to smarten up or we will lose this election. We sound like idiots
to people in swing states that know what outsourcing is and isn't.

Agreed.
Folks like Hannity and others should have instead said
"Hey Teresa and John, if you care so much, how about importing a few
hundred thousand jobs from your foreign subsidiaries! Oh, I guess you won't because...
that wouldn't make ECONOMIC SENSE in the running of your business."

Or, Teresa and John could be given a laudatory (Forbes Magazine-style) for having the
shrewdness to just create lots of jobs overseas in the first place...
no need for the ugly mess of kicking Americans off their payrolls;
Evil Republicans could learn a lot from you guys!

[Destro]

I am in the business in a way. It would cost more to import export condiments (packaging - transportation - customs costs) then to produce it locally for sale locally.

Even in the USA Coca-Cola and other such products are produced locally for regions because to manufacture such food items in one location would make them more expensive as you move farther from the source of manufacturing. That is why you have local soda bottling companies in America, etc.

[templar]

The fact is outsourcing is when something that used to be manufactured-serviced in America is exported and then re-introduced into America's domestic market.

Correct. A concept that that seems to elude so many, even FReepers.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

Shipping costs are also a factor. If I were producing bulk commodities for consumption in overseas markets, I would produce as close to raw materials sources and distribution centers as possible.

[Destro]

This has nothing to do with his poltics - but facts wise Sean Hannity unlike Rush is so devoid of knowledge it is painful to hear him sometimes. What is his educational background? Did he even go to college? All he does is argue talking points that someone else wrote up for him it seems.

[joesbucks]

You trying to get zotted? Remember, this site is for the election or Bush, Republicans and the defeat of democrats. Making sense doesn't count if you're on the "wrong" side of making sense.

[Destro]

So I should stop thinking rationally and independently and get with the program-ignore facts and stop slamming radio personalities who are inaccurate?

[Jackson Brown]

Great post. Hannity -- and other "shoot from the hip" pundits -- can be a real dunderheads.

WE benefit from foreign companies manufacturing here for US consumptrion, just like Heinz does for foreign consumption...some 6-7 million US jobs exist here because of the foreign corporations setting up facilities here. One example is Japanese car makers who make larger cars and SUVs here that are NOT sold overseas...just to US citizens

The BEST "Heinz" target they should aim at is the Heinz Foundation -- run by Theresa and their activities, especially their ties to the Tides Foundation. This is where there is some really far left wing activities going on. The problem is they woudl have to do some real research -- not just a quick Google/Lexis Nexis search -- and that takes lot of time and skill.

[Prime Choice]

'Scuse me, but have you noticed that Heinz products for sale in the United States have an annoying habit of being manufactured and bottled in Mexico?

Tell me how that's not outsourcing.

[joesbucks]

Absolutely, if it hurts our side by pointing out our errors in a public way.

[Destro]

The BEST "Heinz" target they should aim at is the Heinz Foundation -- run by Theresa and their activities

Awesome point. High-five.

[cookcounty]

So if 60% of Boeing's sales are outside the US, if 60% of their aircraft assembly is outside the country, is that outsourcing or not? Senator Kerry would say it is. To be consistent, Heinz should be classified the same way.

[Destro]

If it is all produced in Mexico - that is not outsourcing. To be honest I have not seen any made in mexico ketchup or salsas etc. I also live far from Mexico. Thus it would make no sense to truck such products to the North. They are produced locally.

Now if you live near Mexico it would maek sense because depsite the border its only a drive away from manufacture to market.