Copyright violations: Please do not post full text from SF Chronicle and SF Gate

Email message from sfgate.com | April 2, 2004 | John Angelico, SF Gate

[Jim Robinson]

Subject: Copyright violations in re: SF Chronicle

Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:15:25 -0800 (PST)

From: John Angelico

To: jimrob@psnw.com

Dear freerepublic.com,

It has come to our attention that you have copyrighted SF Chronicle and SF Gate articles posted within your Message Board area. Here's an example:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1091396/posts

Our policy is to allow other sites to link to our site, but not to host our material. This policy ensures that our traffic numbers will be sufficient enough to maintain our free archives, which benefits everyone.

Please remove these full text posts (or replace them w/ abstracts and links to the full article on our site). Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

John Angelico sfgate.com

[wewillnotfail]

I know there is a way to "save page" but don't know how. Anyone ? win 2000?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Right!

The Leftists , Media are shutting us down!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Right!

[Lancey Howard]

Why, you make them sound like the Ministry of Information from "1984". Surely their journalistic integrity would preclude them even considering such a thing.

"Journalistic integrity" - - LOL!!!

[Triple Word Score]

This editor is capable of writing a reasonable, coherent, non-threatening response when he discovers something that challenges his paper's policy on something. So, why do we not simply point out that if we merely link to something, it is often changed on us, and that is the value of posting the entire article rather than excerpting? Ask him to commit to always keeping the original article available for everything his paper publishes, even if he must retract, change, or withdraw something. This would be real accountability and it could start with any paper.

It seems to me a reasonable thing to ask of a publisher who will not permit posting of a full article on another site. Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't have to constantly challenge the veracity of the fourth estate? At the moment I think most of us rate journalism well below car sales as a trustworthy field. Getting the bias out isn't nearly as important as getting the urge to coverup out.

[Triple Word Score]

One more thought occurs to me...some less well-hosted sources don't want an overwhelming number of hits. Many an interesting and obscure source of information (well, sometimes it's information) that gets approved for Fark.com, for instance, is shut down by the subsequent popularity. It happens so often there is a specialized vocabulary for the phenomenon in the forums there that I've heard used more than once IRL.

[Drago]

I know there is a way to "save page" but don't know how. Anyone?...

M$ Internet Explorer: "File" "Save As:" "Save as type:" "Web Archive, single file (.MHT)"

[Freedom2specul8]

Hi Drago. What does MHT stand for? When I save webpage files, it's usually saved as .html.

[paul51]

Copyright violations: Please do not post full text from SF Chronicle and SF Gate

Rags aren't worth reading

[Drago]

Not sure what "MHT" stands for, but I have found that it saves the displayed web site as one clean file. No separate picture files, sub-directories, etc. you get when you "save as" HTM/HTML.

[Freedom2specul8]

That would be great. It takes a lot of hard drive space over time--especially the ads. Thnx!

[StriperSniper]

At least they were nice about it,

Yes, that stopped me from making comments about bones and fudge, and smuggling and packing. ;-)

[NewRomeTacitus]

"Journalistic integrity" - - LOL!!!

We wouldn't want the general public
to have doubts about their competence
or devotion to high ethical standards.

[MEG33]

I found this, FYI

[GSWarrior]

You actually had a subscription?

[mseltzer]

I enjoy their columnist Jennifer Nelson. She's pretty conservative, or at least very level-headed.

[smonk]

I have always though that it was unusual that FR allowed the
posting of the full text of articles at all. But then again,
I work at a newspaper.