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9 Americans, including 4 civilians, killed in Iraq: bodies mutilated, dragged through streets
msnbc.msn.com ^ | 1:06 p.m. ET March 31, 2004 | NBC, MSNBC and news services

Posted on 03/31/2004 10:37:53 AM PST by Destro

9 Americans, including 4 civilians, killed in Iraq Contractors' bodies mutilated, dragged through Fallujah's streets

NBC, MSNBC and news services

Updated: 1:06 p.m. ET March 31, 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq - In one of the bloodiest and most horrifying days since the end of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, five U.S. troops and four American civilian contractors were killed in separate attacks in the Sunni Triangle west of Baghdad. After ambushing the vehicle carrying the civilian contractors in Fallujah, jubilant Iraqis burned and mutilated the dead, then dragged two corpses through the streets and hung them from a bridge spanning the Euphrates River.

The brutal treatment of the bodies occurred after the contractors were killed in a rebel attack on their two SUVs in the city about 35 miles west of Baghdad, scene of some of the worst violence on both sides of the conflict since the beginning of the American occupation a year ago.

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said at a briefing in Baghdad that it was not known what the coalition contractors were doing in Fallujah — apparently without a military escort — when the attack occurred.

U.S. officials, who spoke with NBC News on condition of anonymity, said that all four contractors were Americans who worked for Blackwater USA of Moyock, N.C. The officials did not confirm reports from the scene that a woman was among the dead.

Blackwater USA supplies security guards to the Coalition Provisional Authority and has provided protection for Iraq administrator L. Paul Bremer, among other coalition officials. The officials said it was not immediately clear what the four people killed Wednesday were doing in Fallujah.

Five U.S. troops killed in bombing The killings of the contractors came shortly after five U.S. troops died when their military vehicle ran over a bomb in Malahma, about 12 miles to the northwest of Fallujah, among the reed-lined roads through some of Iraq’s richest farmland.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atrocities; balkans; blackwater; civiliancontractors; fallujah; iraq; muslims; religionofpieces
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To: Defiant
We cant quit and we cant nuke them,so I like your plan in post #53.

We have to separate the innocent from the guilty there, however we can. And fast. We've got to get this area under control for the safety of our Troops and the free peaceful Iraqis. And so we can hand the new Iraqi government their (secure)country in June and hopefully bring back our Soldiers imo.

61 posted on 03/31/2004 12:21:40 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Defiant; Diddle E. Squat
I think we were referring to those who advocate nuking things. If that's what you are advocating, I would be happy to explain why that's not the best approach IMO. I suspect if you ran the idea past senior officers in the military along with the Pres, VP, SOD and John Kerry, they would also all agree that it's not the best approach.
62 posted on 03/31/2004 12:21:43 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: Incorrigible
I'm starting to truly despise these Arab savages... What's even more infuriating is that you don't see any prominent Arabs denouncing these atrocious acts...
63 posted on 03/31/2004 12:22:05 PM PST by NYC Republican
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To: Duke809
Correct. Kill them. Kill their families. Kill the relatives. Kill their friends. Kill their friends friends. And render their land inhospitable.

The preceding message was brought to you by the Genocide Party.

64 posted on 03/31/2004 12:23:19 PM PST by sakic
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To: 50sDad
Clinton pulled out of Mogadishu when our soldiers were dragged through the streets, did he not?

Right, exactly why we cannot let Fallujah continue to be a trouble spot, it will lead to other places doing the same thing, and make things worse all over Iraq. The Iraqis remember very well Genghis Khan and how he would destroy any town that did not open its gates. After a few demonstrations, they all opened their gates. Well, I'm not suggesting that we Genghis Khan the town, but I am proposing a response that makes the average person in Fallujah and other Sunni towns say that they had better start going along. Heavy loss of property and freedom by suspects, destruction of buildings involved in planning and carrying out attacks, squeezing on the food supplies and money, swift and brutal response to attacks, etc. etc.

If the terrorists see the populace turn against them, and see that attacks like this do not result in American timidity, but in American resolve, then they will have lost some room to maneuver and their tactic will need to be revised. Which is what we want, the opinion of our resident Keyboard Kerrys notwithstanding.

65 posted on 03/31/2004 12:23:51 PM PST by Defiant (The sane in Spain are mainly on the wane.)
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To: Defiant
We really must make the price of terrorism too high. So an attack on Americans, particularly civilians, is just unthinkable.

Of course, when you're dealing with 'martyrs', death is not too high a price. What then will this atrocity in Fallujah cost them?

66 posted on 03/31/2004 12:33:21 PM PST by Sender (Support Free Republic...become a monthly donor!)
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To: OneTimeLurker
No one here seriously proposed nuking Fallujah. If you can't see those posts for what they are, an angry, frustrated expression of the desire that Fallujah be brought under control through more forceful means, then we will have to put disclaimers on most of the posts around here.

If Fallujah pays heavily, while other towns in Iraq thrive under freedom, what will happen over time is that the people in Fallujah will say "enough!" and kill the terrorists themselves. Right now, they are enjoying the fight a little too much, and some chickens need to come home to roost. I'll bet our people over there are planning some retribution right now.

67 posted on 03/31/2004 12:39:59 PM PST by Defiant (When its Wimps vs. Warriors, the Warriors always win.)
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To: Gringo1
Time to level Fallujah.

The US can keep killing the terrorists, but more will be created just as fast. The US needs to target the ideology, those institutions, the culture which is sending these people to murder Americans. If it doesn't do that, it won't matter how many terrorists it kills or cities it levels in Iraq.

69 posted on 03/31/2004 12:57:20 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: belmont_mark
YOu gotta be kidding me.

We've got enough evidence to convict half of the Saudi Royalty and their sycophants, not to mention their ex intel chief in direct complicity and sponsorship of the Attacks, and we do a shadowy kabuki dance with them, thereby allowing monies to flow from Riyadh to jihadis all around the world.

Nope. One can only hope for anarchy, mayhem, civil war and chaos in the Tragic Kingdom, thereby necessitating US intervention.

Jihad won't stop til we cut off the money. Then we can nail the jihadis. Otherwise, it's basically a whack a mole game around the world. Like the Pakistani campaign for instance.
70 posted on 03/31/2004 1:00:10 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: yonif
Oh, come out and say it yonif.

WHo's the biggest sponsor of Hamas? And pays money to jihadi families.

C'mon, don't be coy.

Until the US gets serious about stopping the Saudi money flows, we're basically in a whackthemole mode.
71 posted on 03/31/2004 1:02:25 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: yonif
That is a very sensitive and caring idea.......(slaps yonif upside the head) Listen, they hate us anyway, and will always hate us no matter how much milk and cookies we give them. Killing them in sufficient numbers is the ONLY solution to the terrorist threat.They love dying for "the cause" and we should help them to that end whenever and wherever possible.


72 posted on 03/31/2004 1:02:33 PM PST by Gringo1 (All contents of this post may be contrived,made-up,or just plain not true at all.)
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To: Destro
We quit treating this as a war zone far too soon.
73 posted on 03/31/2004 1:04:13 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: swarthyguy
Saudi Arabia is the banker in this jihad world. That terrorist regime is no ally of ours. They could care less if Americans are murdered. The only reason they say they are against Al Queda, is because it seeks to overthrow them. Otherwise, they could care less about it. They support terrorism, give money to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the rest of the terror groups in the Middle East, through their oil revenues.
74 posted on 03/31/2004 1:05:16 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Destro
Oh_ my_ god! Those poor men! Doing their job, trying to rebuild the barbarians' country. :( Prayers to their families.

(Our government needs to put some birth control in the water over there)
75 posted on 03/31/2004 1:12:57 PM PST by IamHD
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To: Destro
We can use these pictures, we can see exactly who was doing what. We need to go house-by-house in Fallujah's and round up every last one.
76 posted on 03/31/2004 1:14:00 PM PST by f zero
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To: Destro
What does one do with kids like this one:

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/3177750.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=03EC40BC14BDF82763448493F481EEB3

Note -- image is **very** graphic. I'm actually more disturbed by the expression on the boy's face....
77 posted on 03/31/2004 1:15:58 PM PST by Theo
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To: Incorrigible; Wraith; Gael; Fusion; wonders; DTA; getoffmylawn
According to the DC policy wonks Mr Fusion was spotted yesterday at the Western Policy Center on 15th St NW chatting with his old friend Fatos Nano. This seems to be confirmed by Albanian TV broadcasts in Tirana that show the two discussing the Durres-Kukes road project during the press conference following.

Word on the street these days is that Mr Fusion is involved more now in political security than traditional physical security. He must be nearing 50 now and no doubt has lost a step or two...

That gunfight in Prishtina back in December of '98 showed him how easily these traditional linear security ops can be penetrated. Besides his AO in Iraq is in Mosul -- where a couple hardcore NGOs still have him on retainer...

Iraq is a tough spot now and there is a reason senior security staff command as much as 25K a month working independently. Of course the poor folks killed today not seeing that kind of money working under a corporate umbrella but we can certainly hope they had hefty life insurance for their families...

Some will be critical of these types operating independently of the military but it absolutely is the right call by Bremer and the CPA. The American victory on the ground will be predicated by superior intelligence and shock warfare tactics that take out senior opposition elements. Today it appears the west got beat -- tomorrow perhaps another victory...

Mr Fusion often speaks about security in the 21st century as being very non-linear. It must constantly reflect an emphasis on layering and change...

Fatos Nano the best protected leader in the western world -- bar none -- because he has the finest security blanketing him with layering and change. Other Balkan leaders should be so fortunate...

J

78 posted on 03/31/2004 1:29:42 PM PST by Jomini
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To: lelio
What do you think this would accomplish other than being able to beat one's chest and say "That'll teach em"?

I don't know, let's try it and find out.

79 posted on 03/31/2004 1:38:04 PM PST by hattend
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To: Destro
To all who are furious over the incident to Fallujah: You can e-mail your representatives in Congress by going to http://www.visi.com/juan/congress and clicking on your state. Phone numbers and fax numbers are also provided. To e-mail the White House, go to https://sawho14.eop.gov/PERS?verified=1
80 posted on 03/31/2004 1:58:09 PM PST by WhereDidMyCountryGo
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