Terri Schiavo Hospitalized With Apparent Puncture Wounds In Arm! Apparent Foul Play!

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[MindBender26]

In 7:25 break, anchor reported "Terri Schiavo was rushed to a Pinellas County emergency room last night after nursing home staff noticed puncture wounds on her arm. The wounds appeared to be caused by a hypodermic needle! Toxicology tests were conducted but the results are not available yet!"

This could open a huge new round in this case. What did tests reveal? Who was last person in room? When was husband there? Was staffer trying the Angle of Death routine?

This will be developing hard all day!

[cyn]

lol, knowing you, {{ Republic }} . . . wouldn't be surprised if you could! btw, Preparetoleave came quite a long way in Oct before anyone else was there and found it a cold atmosphere -- it kinda reminded me of when you went to DC. Pinging fv to your question.

[floriduh voter]

I don't post on this thread. If Republic has a question, she should freemail me. SERIOUSLY, THIS THREAD MAKES ME WANT TO BARF.

[Republic]

LOL! Thinking about doing it! Wanna hang around the nursing home and take my chances on meeting folks who work there. Deeply want anyone associated with Terri to understand the 'other' side of Terri's life, not just the deadly rhetoric from MS and his vile sidekick. Everyone suffers from a lack of knowledge, but in Terri's case, the folks who tend to her simply MUST know the full story, a life hangs in the balance.

[Republic]

Just freepmail your response babe....geeez...what gives?

[Long Cut]

"Just freepmail your response babe....geeez...what gives?"

FV is mad because not every single person on this thread agrees 1000% with him/her or his/her tactics.

And also, because MB26 has actually convinced some people to think about what he's saying, FV believes that MB is a Felos-paid shill.

Go back, and read all his posts to the thread if you don't believe me. THINK about what they sound like, and what they're directed against.

I've no doubt he/she has good intentions, but c'mon, some of those are off the wall!

[Republic]

Did read some-will reread thread.

[Long Cut]

I've read the whole thing. From what I can see, anyone who doesn't "amen" FV and his tactics and methods is accused of being in league with Felos, the Judge, and The Great Conspiracy To Kill Terri.

MB was patient, thoughtful, and offered his own services to help, pro bono. He was roundly trashed by FV and some others for his trouble. That's wrong, no matter your motives. It starts to resemble a turf war.

Now, since a few folks have begun listening to MB26 (and what patience the man has!), FV has taken his toys and left in a huff.

Believe me, as an observer to this, it doesn't leave the best impression.

[cyn]

I know you would, too! Freepmail ptl on that experience.

[TOUGH STOUGH]

Now THAT is hilariously funny. LOL!

I always thought a troll at least here, was similiar to a mole. But maybe I am wrong about that.

[cyn]

You are repeatedly blaming all that poll's results on fv when in fact there are so many other factors at play in this drama -- years and years of them!

You say "Under your tutelage, public support for Terri has dropped like a stone. Much effort has been focused on getting you on TV..." -- if that was indeed true, wouldn't you at least know whether fv is male or female?

[Ohioan from Florida]

You are repeatedly blaming all that poll's results on fv when in fact there are so many other factors at play in this drama -- years and years of them!

I have to agree with cyn, here. MB26 seems to have a personal vendetta against FV, if not at the beginning, then it has worked in to one. If things turn around for Terri it will be because of the combined efforts of many people, not only FReepers. Let's not get big heads over this since there's a lot of stuff left to do. Everyone just do what they can from their corner of the earth to help Terri. Just stop sitting on the sidelines being an armchair quarterback! If we are all for Terri, then let's remember that we are many parts of the same body, and perform different functions, yet for the good of the whole. Get over this petty argument before it degrades what we're trying to accomplish! Enough is enough!

[TOUGH STOUGH]

I have encountered MB's posts over the years and I do not believe, he is a troll, mole or a shill.

I have not been following FV's activism in the Schindler case and cannot possibly have an opinion about it. But generally it appears to me the folks on FR have done very well regarding this matter, and I have marveled at their tenacity and persistence (and I thank God for it).

However, I fear what happened in the Elian Gonzalez case will happen here. Conservatives must become more savvy not only in cases of this magnitude, but in general. It seems that MB26 might be helpful in this regard. We shall see.

[MindBender26]

I do not blame. I am only assigning the responsibility that FV claims.

I would only ask that, as Conservatives, we do not allow ourselves to be caught in the liberal habit of concentrating on anything but results.

The visible result of this picketing and more is that Terri's public support has dropped like a stone. There are two school of thought here. One, dominated by those who have had some rather strange TV appearances, says, let's continue to do the same thing.

The other school of thought says, let's go with other methods, methods that have proven successful in similar campaigns.

For recommending that second course, I have been called a troll, a dupe, a paid employee of Felos, etc.

I recognize and the commend the time and effort of those who have worked for Terri. Some of that work has been beneficial. Some has been disastrous, especially on the public support front.

I only say, let's make that same effort with a proven plan that concentrates on getting Terri support, not just face time on TV for some supporters.

Which leads to the question, why are some people so adamant about opposing a plan that works?

I shall ponder the answer as I sleep.

[MindBender26]

I have to agree with cyn, here. MB26 seems to have a personal vendetta against FV, if not at the beginning, then it has worked in to one

Yes, I have a vendetta. I have a vendetta against Felos and others who would kill this girl.

I have a vendetta against those who would aid and abet him.

I have a vendetta against anyone who would, in any way, do anything that would hurt that girl.

I especially have a vendetta against those who would use Terri's plight for personal aggrandizement.

I love and respect those who have worked so hard for her.

I find it hard however, when the results are so obvious, to find understanding for those who wish us to continue to repeat the same mistakes committed in her name in the past.

The mistakes made by some supporters have cost Terri an immense amount of goodwill. I just wish they would apply that same energy they applied to the misguided plan to one that works.

Regarding vendettas, It is I who have been called everything fro a troll to a paid agent of Mr. Felos. In reply, I have only reported the results and found ways to change them.

Who has offended whom here?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you oh so very much for all the kudos and encouragements on the Downside Legacy! Hugs!

[Ohioan from Florida]

Look, I'm trying to say that it's time to stop bashing each other...period. You seem to keep implying (if not coming straight out and saying it) that FV is a crazy lunatic extremist when you know nothing of the sort. You imply that she is single-handedly responsible for the poor PR that Terri's fight receives...which IMHO is the furthest thing from the truth.

Your reporter friend says that the Schindler side of things is anxious to get face time. That's true! These are good people whose life has been turned upside-down by an @**hole of a son-in-law who really wants to see them hurt more than anything. He tells lies to the media, and the media, like the irresponsible journalists most of them are, parrot what they hear without doing any real investigating on their own. Terri's fight has been behind the 8-ball from the get-go, and it's simply NOT because of the poster-carrying people you're referring to.

Please understand that Michael's side has an agenda of their own. They want to make all Americans believe that when we become imperfect people we not only have a "right-to-die", we have a duty to die as well. Only they aren't going to say it that way, so that the simple-minded folk won't notice what's going on. For all too long we (as citizens) have been blindly going along with this, until Terri's case, when some of us awoke from our sleep and realized the dangers of what has been going on while we weren't paying attention.

IIRC, back in the fall of 2003, you had mentioned something about being an editor or something to do with a periodical for seniors and retirees. You asked why they should be concerned about this. You hated many ideas that were proposed by various FReepers on the Terri threads as to what we could do to help. You did mention that new PR was needed back then, but then promptly mentioned you were too busy to help out yourself. That's okay. Not everybody can do things at the same time. But that doesn't give you the right to come back here and bash the sign-protestors. When you pitch in, then you can complain all you want, but if you're not doing something yourself, then you should have no argument with others who are at least giving it their best. Perhaps it is the protestors who have gotten Terri's fight this far, and now it is time for something new to be done. But I draw the line at demeaning the tactics of some of the FReepers here who have been on the front lines when you aren't, nor have been.

If you love and respect those who have worked so hard for Terri, then you should love and respect FV, and many others on these threads.

IMHO you are making one too many assumptions about the cause of support for Terri plumetting. First off, I'm not sure where you even get your numbers from. Since you provided little information about where you got this information, it's difficult to discern whether they are totally skewed or not.

Secondly, even if the time frame correlates somewhat with protestors out there, how can you isolate it to just that as a cause? There have been numerous things going on that could send public opinion one way or the other. It might be timed with the release of another report from Michael's camp. Another judge says this or that. Maybe the public is tired of hearing about it because they are tired of the story. They just want it to go away. Maybe they don't have ill will towards Terri or her family. Maybe it's like the Vietnam War and they just want the suffering to be over.

At any rate, you have been doing your share of the name-calling. Both of you need to stop. FV is not in this for personal aggrandizement, and it is offensive and uncalled for to suggest it. Please keep doing what you think is helpful to Terri's fight. Contact her family and offer your services. Many here have and are following through on suggestions from the family and legal team. God be with you, and all of us!

[Wampus SC]

I couldn't get back to you until now. I'm not able to be here all the time, saying the same thing in post after post, all day every day; because I've got responsibilties that I don't choose to shirk.

"Thank you for not name calling."

Oh. You missed it, then? That's OK, there's no need for you to read carefully.

"I have sent my phone number by private FReepmail to 3 people who say they are close to the family and their PR lady. It's a toll (troll?) free number so calling is easy.

When you see that, along with the name calling, I doubt anyone lurking here is surprised that Terri's public support numbers have dropped so far. ZOTTED! TROLL: MINDLESS BLATHER! Sort of like the insults you would expect op hear on the playground at the elementary school near the home."

I do declare! Those naughty Freepers! And after you've been so polite and respectful to them! </sarcasm> LOL

But seriously, if you were serious, you could try to make contact thru terrisfight.org and give your information there. Of course, you wouldn't be able to whine about Freepers being stupid and psychotic there. But there's a downside to everything. Right?

Another serious thing would be to finally get on over to Pinellas Co., perhaps go to one of the vigils. You've already missed more than one chance at that. You could make contact with the people you want to convince, present them with examples of your work and what you have to offer, and convince them that you're the one. Think of it as good old American salesmanship - PR. And it won't even be a cold call. From what you've said about yourself so far, that should be easy, shouldn't it?

Finally, if you really want to convince people here that you are right and they are wrong -- instead of just throwing bricks at them and whining when they don't like being hit -- then there's a simple thing to do. Convince them, using your infallible PR methods. Unless what you've been doing here so far is an example of it. If so, then I'm afraid it'll have the exact effects you accuse others of. Now, time's a-wastin', while you could have been getting all this done. To continue posting the same old same old - which hasn't been all that successful - and just sitting back waiting for someone to call you because of it isn't going to do it. You want success, you have to go after it yourself, so, get going, ok?

[Wampus SC]

"re: Articles. Had to pull them from newspaper archive, so there was no way to do direct link. They came from St. Pete Times website."

That's funny. I have no problem searching their archives back to '87, and making a direct link to articles in the archive.

Click here for example.

[Future Useless Eater]

• I am sorry so many of these posts have been trashed by the newcomer.
• I am sorry so many freepers have had their feelings rubbed raw by the newcomer.
• I am sorry the newcomer took destructive actions here without first getting Terri's org to agree he is legitimate.
• I am sorry the newcomer who used to OPPOSE Terri, now SUDDENLY 'claims' vehemently to be FOR her, without convincing proof.
• I find the newcomer's inclusion of himself with the words 'we' or 'us' inappropriate until he convinces Terri's org he is legitimate.
• I am sorry so many of us were taken in prematurely by the newcomer.
• My special thanks and appreciation go out to freeper FV.
• I will gladly accept the newcomer's views and suggestions AFTER Terri's org reports they believe he is legitimate.
• No replies to this post are necessary, especially from MB26.
• It's Easter week. Peace everyone.

...and note my new tagline. I will try to use it on all Terri threads for the next several days. If others of you choose to TEMPORARILY change to similar taglines, I will be heartened.

[Future Useless Eater]

I did a google search, and it appears LC was in strong defense of some tenacious tag-teams of trolls around October/22/2003. Most likely he is just an occasionally misguided defender of the trolls. Here are a few of LC's quotes, which he made on various troll-saturated threads:

• "The reason we have courts is to adress issues like the Schiavo case. They did. And spare me the accusations and rhetoric about Judge Greer."
• "I'm glad I'm not the ONLY person who thinks that legislation passed in an oven of emotion and wild protest is never a good thing."
• "We now return you to your regularly-scheduled hate party..."

Interestingly, LC has his own hot-button issues, and even admits he could be driven to civil unrest...

• With this[Terri's] case, we have given the Left free license to use emotional appeals in every [2nd amendment]case.
• "IF ONLY this same activism and energy were applied to, oh, TAXES or gun control, how much better could those situations now be?"
• 'If my son were in the same place Terri was in, the LAST thing I'd think about doing is going to the internet, the TV, and to the press. Instead, I'd have had her feeding tube reinserted at gunpoint, and stood off any and all who attempted to remove it OR me. That is, if I felt, like the Schiavos, that she was being "murdered".'

As I see it, if LC won't stand up for our efforts (even thru civil unrest if if necessary) to stop tyranical judges from taking an innocent family member's life, then why should we help LC when HIS hot button issue comes around someday to center stage: tyranical judges taking away guns