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A Test of Kerry's Faith -The candidate's policies are at odds with church canon.
Time ^ | 04/05/2004 | Karen Tumulty and Perry Bacon Jr.

Posted on 03/28/2004 10:05:56 AM PST by areafiftyone

The last time a major political party put forward a Roman Catholic candidate for President, he had to confront bigotry and suspicion that he would be taking orders from Rome. Forty-four years later, the Democrats are poised to nominate another Catholic—another Senator from Massachusetts whose initials happen to be J.F.K.—and this time, the controversy over his religion may develop within the Catholic Church itself. Kerry's positions on some hot-button issues aren't sitting well with members of the church elite. Just listen to a Vatican official, who is an American: "People in Rome are becoming more and more aware that there's a problem with John Kerry, and a potential scandal with his apparent profession of his Catholic faith and some of his stances, particularly abortion."

But it's far from clear whether the greater political problem is Kerry's or the church's. "I don't think it complicates things at all," Kerry told TIME in an interview aboard his campaign plane on Saturday, the first in which he has discussed his faith extensively. "We have a separation of church and state in this country. As John Kennedy said very clearly, I will be a President who happens to be Catholic, not a Catholic President." Still, when Kennedy ran for President in 1960, a candidate could go through an entire campaign without ever having to declare his position on abortion—much less stem cells, cloning or gay marriage. It was before Roe v. Wade, bioethics, school vouchers, gay rights and a host of other social issues became the ideological fault lines that divide the two political parties and also divide some Catholics from their church.

Kerry is a former altar boy who complains when his campaign staff does not leave time in his Sunday schedule for Mass, who takes Communion and describes himself as a "believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic." But just last week he made a rare appearance on the Senate floor to vote against a bill that would make harming a fetus a separate offense during the commission of a crime. The vote put Kerry on the same side as abortion-rights advocates in opposing specific legal rights for the unborn—and against nearly two-thirds of his fellow Senators.

Polls consistently show that Americans prefer their leaders to be religious, and in running to unseat the most openly devout President in recent years, Kerry has at times put a pious cast on his own rhetoric. In a speech at a Mississippi church on March 7, he said Bush does not practice the "compassionate conservatism" he preaches, and quoted James 2: 14, "What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds?"

Kerry says his faith was instilled in him in childhood and that in Vietnam he wore a rosary around his neck when he went into battle. When Kerry got home from the war, he went through what he calls a "period of a little bit of anger and agnosticism, but subsequently, I did a lot of reading and a lot of thinking and really came to understand how all those terrible things fit." He is enough of a stickler for Catholic rules to have sought an annulment of his 18-year first marriage before marrying again. The Boston Globe's revelation last year that his paternal grandparents were born Jewish and converted to Catholicism has triggered "some fascination," he says, and some frustration over not knowing more about his religious heritage. "I wish my parents were alive and I could ask them all the questions," he says.

Kerry and other Catholic politicians have long argued that their religious beliefs need not influence their actions as elected representatives. That position is what provoked New York's Archbishop John Cardinal O'Connor in 1984 to castigate New York Governor Mario Cuomo and Democratic vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro, who are both pro-choice.

If anything, the church is getting tougher. The Vatican issued last year a "doctrinal note" warning Catholic lawmakers that they have a "grave and clear obligation to oppose any law that attacks human life. For them, as for every Catholic, it is impossible to promote such laws or to vote for them." When Kerry campaigned in Missouri in February, St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke publicly warned him "not to present himself for Communion"—an ostracism that Canon Law 915 reserves for "those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin." Kerry was scheduled to be in St. Louis last Sunday, and told TIME, "I certainly intend to take Communion and continue to go to Mass as a Catholic."

But, inevitably, his religion and his politics will clash. Already, one employee of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in Washington says he has lost his job as a result of his political activities on Kerry's behalf. Ono Ekeh was a program coordinator for the conference until last month, when he says his supervisors there confronted him with what he had written—sometimes using workplace computers—on his Yahoo discussion-group website, Catholics for Kerry. What alerted them to his postings, he believes, was a mass e-mail by activist Deal Hudson, editor of a Catholic magazine, Crisis, and a close ally of the Bush White House. Ekeh, 33, had criticized the bishops' recent edicts that Catholic politicians should vote according to church teaching.

How might the rift between Kerry and the church he calls a "bedrock of values, of sureness about who I am" affect the election? Catholics are among the narrow slice of the electorate considered truly up for grabs this year, and they constitute a major share of the voters in the Midwestern and Southwestern swing states. Those who are most strongly antiabortion are probably already in Bush's camp. But many Catholics are, like Kerry, struggling with contradictions between the church's teachings and what they practice. Still others say abortion is not the only issue that matters when they vote. "There are literally millions of American Catholics who struggle with different feelings and different issues at different times," Kerry says. In the Democratic primaries, Kerry ran particularly strong among Catholics—winning significantly larger shares of their votes in states like New Hampshire, Missouri and Tennessee than he received from Protestants.

Most Catholic officials expect that the church's response to Kerry's candidacy will vary from diocese to diocese. You may not see many Catholic bishops appearing at Kerry photo ops this campaign season, and there's a possibility of some uncomfortable moments on the trail. "All you need is a picture of Kerry going up to the Communion rail and being denied, and you've got a story that'll last for weeks," says Father Thomas Reese, editor of the Jesuit magazine America.

For now, theologians say, Kerry's conduct is principally a matter between the candidate and his own Archbishop. Boston Archbishop Sean O'Malley has given him Communion in the past; the Senator took the sacrament at O'Malley's installation last July. More recently, however, O'Malley has said that Catholic politicians who do not vote in line with church teachings "shouldn't dare come to Communion." But between the gay-marriage debate in Massachusetts and his efforts to repair the damage from the sexual-abuse scandal that began in his archdiocese, O'Malley already has a plateful of controversy. Kerry, for his part, is planning to avoid stirring any up. "I don't tell church officials what to do," he says, "and church officials shouldn't tell American politicians what to do in the context of our public life."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: 2004; archbishop; catholic; catholicpoliticians; excommunicate; johnkerry; kerry; sin; timemag
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To: areafiftyone
Kerry says his faith was instilled in him in childhood and that in Vietnam he wore a rosary around his neck when he went into battle.

That must have been before he did the poll-motivated genealogical research which put him in touch with the long lost Jewish side of his family!

21 posted on 03/28/2004 11:44:55 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: scottinoc
Kerry actually did adhere to church teachings, before he decided not to.

Good line!

22 posted on 03/28/2004 11:53:25 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: maro
Grounds are spelled m o n e y, Sot kennedy did the same thing.
23 posted on 03/28/2004 11:56:14 AM PST by cynicom
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To: areafiftyone
People in Rome are becoming more and more aware that there's a problem with John Kerry

Hey people in Roma AND the USA know the real problem with Kerry:
He'll take orders from France.
25 posted on 03/28/2004 12:05:01 PM PST by VOA
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To: areafiftyone
If Kerry's principle is accepted--that the Catholic Church should say nothing while 45 million babies are killed in America--then the Catholic Church should NEVER be accused of or criticized for supposedly not speaking up while six million Jews were murdered. You can't have it both ways.

Either the Church has the right to denounce an injustice or it doesn't.

The gutless bishops in America are personally responsible for the phenomenon of "pro-abortion Catholics." They have been dithering over the question of excommunication for over 30 years. We've seen the result of NOT excommunicating the baby killers. Let's try the other approach.

26 posted on 03/28/2004 12:08:48 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: maro
Nonsense. That's not what an annulment means.
27 posted on 03/28/2004 12:09:18 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: TonyRo76
I know nuns are not supposed to wear them around their necks.
28 posted on 03/28/2004 12:09:53 PM PST by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: TonyRo76
It is NOT a Catholic custom to wear a Rosary around the neck. That is something that wacky or sinister nuns do in movies made by anti-Catholic bigots.
29 posted on 03/28/2004 12:15:00 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: areafiftyone
"How might the rift between Kerry and the church he calls a "bedrock of values, of sureness about who I am"

My faith defines who I am. Without that faith, the Bible, the Mass, and fidelity to the teachings of the Magisterium, I am adrift in this culture.

No one can remotely violate one's conscience and the teachings of the church by voting for and espousing laws and attitudes that are diametrically opposed to God under the guise of some nebulous Separation idea and remain a Catholic.

To approve abortion, infanticide, fetal cell research, homosexual marraige in law and then to say it is because you represent the people is a scandal and a sin.
30 posted on 03/28/2004 12:21:51 PM PST by OpusatFR (Sure they want to tone down the rhetoric. We are winning.)
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To: Malesherbes
Kerry quotes James 2:14 "...if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds." What if a man claims to have faith, but his deeds are regularly in contravention of that faith? What does that make him?

It makes his faith questionable. Kerry's discrepancies in his Catholic faith, as has been pointed out, can’t stand the biblical tests of that church. However, the one thing that simply amazes me are the laws - Thou shalt not commit adultery or Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor, yet Kerry, Clinton, JFK are given a pass because they are Democrats and Democrats lie, lay and speak mendaciously in most instances; are expected to be unfaithful and untruefull.

Those who parade their religion and trot it out for the benefit of voters and media during elections would best divest themselves of religion. That action does not mean they do not believe in God but it would give honest weight to the separation of Church and State. Religion has no place in the voting booth – BUT – character does. The latter is something Kerry shows little of. President Bush talks little of his faith, but he shows the extraordinary character of it. Religion however a person sees or believes in it, should remain private.

31 posted on 03/28/2004 12:22:52 PM PST by yoe (The worse it is – the better it is!!)
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To: areafiftyone
Kerry is a former altar boy who complains when his campaign staff does not leave time in his Sunday schedule for Mass,...

So his campaign staff runs his schedule?

Either you're a devout Catholic or your not!

Obviously he is a devout ski boarder, for he had time for that.

He's only running for POTUS now, I wonder how he would handle the pressures of scheduling as President?

Take a Dale Carnegie course for time management?

I can picture the "Kerry Doctrine" in force.

"I haven't got time for terrorists threats today for I'm booked up with staff meetings"!

This guy is disgustingly selfish!

32 posted on 03/28/2004 12:43:00 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: areafiftyone
What would happen if the Pope threatened to excommunicate not only Kerry but every Catholic who voted for Kerry?

What if they decided that being pro-life was THAT important?

It won't happen. You have to ask yourself why.

33 posted on 03/28/2004 12:50:08 PM PST by Triple Word Score (She's absolutely meretricious.)
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To: GreatOne
Good post in your #6.

Catholics believe that in matters of faith and morals the Pope is infallible.

Not to be confused with being infallible in picking the winner of a horse race,or other events; we are talking faith and morals only.

Therefore if the Pope determines that abortion is wrong, as a Catholic you accept that teaching. If you disagree, you are a heretic. And if you knowingly persist in holding an opposing view to the Popes in matters of faith and morals you are not a Catholic and should leave the Church.

In the meantime if the Pope thinks Sara J is going to win the second race at the race track tomorrow, and you disagree and think Magic Warrior is going to be the winner, you are not a heretic. You are entitled to your beliefs outside the realm of faith and morals. -Tom

34 posted on 03/28/2004 12:58:23 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb republicans. - Capt. Tom)
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Teresa on the Stump, Teresa Heinz Kerry, from Mozambique, PRO-ABORTION Catholic, UN Employee, etc.

Teresa Heinz Kerry, Drummond Pike and the Communist TIDES FOUNDATION

The Bible and homosexuality [Kerry thinks the bible is for homosexuality]

John Kerry and Unborn Victims

Catholic Pro-Abortion, Pro-Homosexual

Catholic and 100% Pro Abortion


Catholics Kerry and Kennedy have a 100% Pro-homosexual Record with the Human Rights Campaign! Page 10,11

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
DOCTRINAL NOTE
on some questions regarding
The Participation of Catholics in Political Life

Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics

A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

Faithful Citizenship:
Civic Responsibility for a New Millennium

An Old Testament, Litany of Life
Canon Law and Abortion
Sign Petition: To Excommunicate
The Gospel of Life--Evangelium Vitae-on Human Life
Herod's Heroes, Sign Petition

Catechism
Catechism on Abortion Catechism on Human Life
Canon Law
Canon Law and Abortion

EVANGELIUM VITAE

The 2 Kerrys. Botox Boy Tells off The Pope

'Catholic' Kerry Accuses Pope of "Crossing the Line" With Recent Document on Same-Sex Unions


Kerry raps Pope: Senator fuming over gay marriage order

35 posted on 03/28/2004 1:02:38 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: areafiftyone
Kerry is a former altar boy who complains when his campaign staff does not leave time in his Sunday schedule for Mass, who takes Communion and describes himself as a "believing and practicing Catholic, married to another believing and practicing Catholic."

What a lie. He is banned from taking communion and Massachusetts churches know this. The church he went to in Ketchum last week had not gotten the word. So in typical Kerry wise guy fashion he took communion from an unknowing priest.

36 posted on 03/28/2004 1:03:11 PM PST by dennisw (“We'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way.” - Toby Keith)
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To: maro
"He is enough of a stickler for Catholic rules to have sought an annulment of his 18-year first marriage before marrying again."

He is an annulment Catholic. I don't know what grounds he had, after 18 years and several children. By annulling his marriage, he rendered his kids bastards.>>>

And who married Kerry a second time in Martha's Vinyard, it's against canon law for a Catholic to get married in someone's house or back yard, it MUST be in a Catholic Church were we receive the sacraments.
37 posted on 03/28/2004 1:04:29 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
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38 posted on 03/28/2004 1:05:13 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus
Canon 1118. Marriage between Catholic or between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic party is to be celebrated in a parish church with the permission of the local ordinary or pastor it can be celebrated in another church or oratory . . . (2) The local ordinary can permit marriage to be celebrated in some other suitable place.

I believe it was her home in a tent on the grounds. Would that be considered suitable?

39 posted on 03/28/2004 1:14:46 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Aliska
I believe it was her home in a tent on the grounds. Would that be considered suitable?>>>

thanks for the info. I don't think someone's back yard is a "suitable" replacement since the canon states that it must be in another church or oratory (a place of prayer).

All I know is that the average poor person with fortunes less than a million MUST marry in a Catholic Church. I know plenty of people, mostly the brides, who have tried unsuccessfully to have their weddings in the banquet hall chapel, the park, etc. How did Frank Sinatra get 3 annulments? Money talks, and the Heinz Kerry's have plenty of money.
40 posted on 03/28/2004 1:23:48 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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