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This is getting totally out of control. by what reasonable standard of logic does something like this occur?

PA gunowners, take careful note, and everyone else watch out, because stuff like this tends to go national, especially if Fienswine/Schumer/Kennedy hear about it.

1 posted on 03/28/2004 9:25:34 AM PST by Long Cut
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The first full-power rifle I ever fired was my dad's Remington model 760 pump in .30-06. It was a fine firearm.

Funny, it had no bayonet lug, pistol grip, folding stock, flash supressor, threaded barrel, plastic parts, and the mag only held five rounds.

I had no idea it was an "assault weapon".

2 posted on 03/28/2004 9:28:57 AM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Criminal Number 18F; lodwick
BANG!
3 posted on 03/28/2004 9:30:04 AM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Long Cut
The gun grabbers want to instill a 'fear of guns' upon the sheep...that they might steal them away....legally with the sheeps permission...

They socialist/3rd wayers do not want anyone to have the will or means of resistance to their NWO plans..
4 posted on 03/28/2004 9:33:39 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Long Cut
Dadgummit, I was hoping I could put this "issue" to rest... (sigh!) cross-link:

-Smart Guns / Foolish Legislators--The Assault Weapons Ban May Be Bush's Undoing--

6 posted on 03/28/2004 9:35:17 AM PST by backhoe (What part of "Shall Not be Infringed" is so hard to understand?)
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This is now, according to PA lgislators, an "Assault Rifle"...

Chilling, isn't it? I guess "sporting purposes" doesn't REALLY protect a rifle.

12 posted on 03/28/2004 9:52:42 AM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Long Cut
Any Pennsylvanians out there? Is this a serious bill, or is Representative Dan Frankel a kook who proposed a bill which has no real chance of passing.
14 posted on 03/28/2004 9:55:25 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Bill Clinton is the Neville Chamberlain of the War on Terror.)
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Here's a list of the morons who support this, and introduced it...

INTRODUCED BY FRANKEL, THOMAS, BISHOP, COHEN, CURRY, D. EVANS, HORSEY, JAMES, JOSEPHS, KIRKLAND, LEACH, MELIO, PISTELLA, ROEBUCK, ROONEY, STETLER, STURLA, WASHINGTON, WATERS, WEBER, WHEATLEY, WILLIAMS AND YOUNGBLOOD, MARCH 17, 2004

17 posted on 03/28/2004 10:06:05 AM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Long Cut
A long time ago when the AW ban was first ushered in I saw a commentary somewhere that went something like this:
My grandfathers ownership of his old .22 rifle (because it holds more than 10 rounds) makes him a threat to the public safety and a terrorist while they give a guy (Arafat) who has made it his life's mission to kill innocents and blow up school bus loads of children the Nobel Peace prize.
The world has gone mad....
18 posted on 03/28/2004 10:09:46 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Long Cut
LOL, c'mon.
Pennsylvania is the epicenter of the "militia movement".
There may be a handful of scumbag Democrats from Philly and the other parasite nests (cities) who bring this kind of stuff up from time to time, but the kind of legislation you are talking about will never pass in Pennsylvania.
19 posted on 03/28/2004 10:12:21 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Long Cut
According to the Second Amendment -- the Federal Government should be encouraging and sponsoring general public ownership and expert use of assault weapons. That is the clearest and most honest interpretation of that first clause.
22 posted on 03/28/2004 10:16:45 AM PST by bvw
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To: Long Cut
                                                      PRINTER'S NO. 3471

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA


HOUSE BILL

No. 2451 Session of 2004


        INTRODUCED BY FRANKEL, THOMAS, BISHOP, COHEN, CURRY, D. EVANS,
           HORSEY, JAMES, JOSEPHS, KIRKLAND, LEACH, MELIO, PISTELLA,
           ROEBUCK, ROONEY, STETLER, STURLA, WASHINGTON, WATERS, WEBER,
           WHEATLEY, WILLIAMS AND YOUNGBLOOD, MARCH 17, 2004

        REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY, MARCH 17, 2004

                                     AN ACT

     1  Amending Title 18 (Crimes and Offenses) of the Pennsylvania
     2     Consolidated Statutes, providing for prohibition and
     3     registration of certain assault weapons; and imposing
     4     penalties.

     5     The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania
     6  hereby enacts as follows:
     7     Section 1.  Chapter 61 of Title 18 of the Pennsylvania
     8  Consolidated Statutes is amended by adding a subchapter to read:
     9                           SUBCHAPTER B.1
    10                        ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN
    11  Sec.
    12  6151.  Definitions.
    13  6152.  Manufacture, possession and transfer of assault
    14         weapons.
    15  6153.  Possession of assault weapon components.
    16  6154.  Registration of assault weapons.
    17  6155.  Fees.
    18  § 6151.  Definitions.

     1     The following words and phrases when used in this subchapter
     2  shall have the meanings given to them in this section unless the
     3  context clearly indicates otherwise:
     4     "Assault weapon."  The term includes the following:
     5         (1)  Any semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic or pump-
     6     action rifle that is capable of accepting a detachable
     7     magazine and that also possesses any of the following:
     8             (i)  If the firearm is a rifle, a pistol grip located
     9         at the rear of the trigger.
    10             (ii)  If the firearm is a rifle, a stock in any
    11         configuration, including, but not limited to, a thumbhole
    12         stock, a folding stock or a telescoping stock, that
    13         allows the bearer of the firearm to grasp the firearm
    14         with the trigger hand such that the web of the trigger
    15         hand, between the thumb and forefinger, can be placed
    16         below the top of the external portion of the trigger
    17         during firing.
    18             (iii)  If the firearm is a pistol, a shoulder stock
    19         of any type or configuration, including, but not limited
    20         to, a folding stock or a telescoping stock.
    21             (iv)  A barrel shroud.
    22             (v)  A muzzle break or muzzle compensator.
    23             (vi)  Any feature capable of functioning as a
    24         protruding grip that can be held by the hand that is not
    25         the trigger hand.
    26         (2)  Any pistol that is capable of accepting a detachable
    27     magazine at any location outside of the pistol grip.
    28         (3)  Any semiautomatic pistol or any semiautomatic,
    29     center-fire rifle with a fixed magazine that has the capacity
    30     to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition.
    20040H2451B3471                  - 2 -     

     1         (4)  Any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable
     2     magazine.
     3         (5)  Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
     4         (6)  Any conversion kit or other combination of parts
     5     from which a firearm described in paragraphs 1 through 5, can
     6     be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the
     7     control of any person.
     8     "Barrel shroud."  A covering, other than a slide, that is
     9  attached to or that substantially or completely encircles the
    10  barrel of a firearm and that allows the bearer of the firearm to
    11  hold the barrel with the nonshooting hand while firing the
    12  firearm, without burning that hand. The term does not include an
    13  extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel that does
    14  not substantially or completely encircle the barrel.
    15     Commissioner."  The Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State
    16  Police.
    17     "Conversion kit."  Any part or combination of parts designed
    18  and intended for use in converting a firearm into an assault
    19  weapon.
    20     "Detachable magazine."  A magazine the function of which is
    21  to deliver one or more ammunition cartridges into the firing
    22  chamber of a firearm and which can be removed from the firearm
    23  without the use of any tool, including a bullet or ammunition
    24  cartridge.
    25     "Muzzle brake."  A device attached to the muzzle of a weapon
    26  that utilizes escaping gas to reduce recoil.
    27     "Muzzle compensator."  A device attached to the muzzle of a
    28  weapon that utilizes escaping gas to control muzzle movement.
    29  § 6152.  Manufacture, possession and transfer of assault
    30         weapons.
    20040H2451B3471                  - 3 -     

     1     (a)  Offense defined.--No person shall manufacture, possess,
     2  purchase, sell or otherwise transfer any assault weapon, or any
     3  assault weapon conversion kit, except as provided under
     4  subsection (b).
     5     (b)  Exceptions.--Subsection (a) shall not apply to any of
     6  the following:
     7         (1)  The possession of an unloaded assault weapon for the
     8     purpose of permanently relinquishing it to a law enforcement
     9     agency in this Commonwealth pursuant to regulations adopted
    10     for such purpose by the commissioner. Any assault weapon
    11     relinquished pursuant to this subsection shall be destroyed.
    12         (2)  The transfer of any assault weapon by a licensed
    13     manufacturer or dealer to a law enforcement agency in this
    14     Commonwealth for use by that agency or its employees for law
    15     enforcement purposes.
    16         (3)  The possession of an assault weapon that was legally
    17     possessed on the effective date of this act, if the person
    18     legally possessing the assault weapon has complied with all
    19     of the requirements of section 6154 (relating to registration
    20     of assault weapons).
    21         (4)  The possession of an assault weapon that has been
    22     permanently disabled so that it is incapable of discharging a
    23     projectile.
    24     (c)  Public nuisance.--Any assault weapon or assault weapon
    25  conversion kit, the manufacture, possession, purchase, sale or
    26  other transfer of which is prohibited under subsection (a), is a
    27  public nuisance.
    28     (d)  Penalty.--Any person who violates subsection (a) commits
    29  a felony of the first degree.
    30  § 6153.  Possession of assault weapon components.
    20040H2451B3471                  - 4 -     

     1     (a)  Offense defined.--No person shall possess or have under
     2  the person's control both of the following at the same time,
     3  except as provided under subsection (b):
     4         (1)  a semiautomatic or pump-action rifle or
     5     semiautomatic pistol capable of accepting a detachable
     6     magazine; and
     7         (2)  any magazine capable of use with that firearm that
     8     contains more than ten rounds of ammunition.
     9     (b)  Exceptions.--Subsection (a) shall not apply to any
    10  person while lawfully doing either of the following:
    11         (1)  engaging in shooting at a duly licensed, lawfully
    12     operated shooting range; or
    13         (2)  participating in a sporting event officially
    14     sanctioned by a club or organization established in whole or
    15     in part for the purpose of sponsoring sport shooting events.
    16     (c)  Penalty.--Any person who violates subsection (a) commits
    17  a felony of the first degree.
    18  § 6154.  Registration of assault weapons.
    19     (a)  Grandfathered assault weapons.--A person may continue to
    20  possess an assault weapon that the person legally possessed on
    21  the effective date of this subchapter, if the person does all of
    22  the following:
    23         (1)  Within 90 days following the effective date of this
    24     subchapter, submits to a background check identical to the
    25     background check conducted in connection with the purchase of
    26     a firearm from a licensed gun dealer.
    27         (2)  Unless the person is prohibited by law from
    28     possessing a firearm, immediately registers the assault
    29     weapon with the Pennsylvania State Police pursuant to
    30     regulations adopted for such purpose by the commissioner.
    20040H2451B3471                  - 5 -     

     1         (3)  Safely and securely stores the assault weapon
     2     pursuant to regulations adopted for such purpose by the
     3     commissioner.
     4         (4)  Annually renews both the registration and the
     5     background check.
     6         (5)  Possesses the assault weapon only on property owned
     7     or immediately controlled by the person, while engaged in the
     8     legal use of the assault weapon at a duly licensed firing
     9     range or while traveling to or from either of these locations
    10     for the purpose of engaging in the legal use of the assault
    11     weapon, provided that the assault weapon is stored unloaded
    12     and in a separate locked container during transport.
    13     (b)  Inherited assault weapons.--Notwithstanding any other
    14  provision of this subchapter, any person who, after the
    15  effective date of this subchapter, acquires title to an assault
    16  weapon by inheritance, bequest or succession shall, within 30
    17  days of acquiring title, do one of the following:
    18         (1)  comply with all of the requirements of subsection
    19     (a);
    20         (2)  dispose of the assault weapon pursuant to section
    21     6152(b)(1) (relating to manufacture, possession and transfer
    22     of assault weapons); or
    23         (3)  permanently disable the assault weapon so that it is
    24     incapable of discharging a projectile.
    25     (c)  Compliance check.--The Pennsylvania State Police may, no
    26  more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure
    27  compliance with this subsection.
    28     (d)  Penalty.--Any person who violates subsection (a) or (b)
    29  commits a felony of the third degree.
    30  § 6155.  Fees.
    20040H2451B3471                  - 6 -     

     1     The Pennsylvania State Police may charge a fee for each
     2  registration and for each registration renewal under section
     3  6154 (relating to registration of assault weapons). Such fee
     4  shall not exceed the costs incurred by the Pennsylvania State
     5  Police in administering the registration program established
     6  under section 6154.
     7     Section 2.  This act shall take effect in 60 days.
















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23 posted on 03/28/2004 10:17:56 AM PST by abner (FREE THE MIRANDA MEMOS! http://www.intelmemo.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Long Cut
Incrementalism at it's very best. Get ready, the worst is yet to come. Ever read freeper Travis McGee's book "Enemies Foreign and Domestic?" Coming soon to a roadblock near YOU!
40 posted on 03/28/2004 10:38:08 AM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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41 posted on 03/28/2004 10:38:59 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Space Available for Rent or Lease by the Day, Week, or Month. Reasonable Rates. Inquire within.)
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To: Long Cut
I hope one day a headline reads...

Pennsylvania to classify liberal politicians as terrorists
52 posted on 03/28/2004 10:59:43 AM PST by Vision (Always Faithful)
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To: Long Cut
I should have become obvious to everyone that regardless of what state you may reside, the relentless, incremental attacks from those in government on our freedoms, our borders, sovereignty and our Constitution are endless, and their objects are disturbing.

It's proceeding slowly, one step at a time. To the point where even our elections and the voting booth are being undermined, destabilized and subverted. In my honest opinion, most all in the high echelons of power can no longer be trusted.

Too much corruption, fraud, special interest etc, as the government continues to grow and become all encompassing to the point where it controls every part of our lives and businesses. In the 1950s and 1960s and before, actions such as these and other attacks on our freedoms and sovereignty would have been unheard of and never tolerated.

Ask yourself, what has changed?

Were dying of a thousand cuts.

53 posted on 03/28/2004 11:04:54 AM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Long Cut
I've had about enough of this.

"From my Cold Dead Hands!" (Charton Heston)

By the way, anyone who invaded my home would not face my "So-called 'assault rifle', but a good-old S&W (pre-kneepad) .44 magnum.

It's very tiresome to hear the liberal idiots go on and on about the dangers of "assault weapons" when you realize that a shotgun is a better weapon at close range.

54 posted on 03/28/2004 11:06:58 AM PST by LibKill (BUSH the TERRORIST SLAYER!)
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To: blackie; Eaker; glock rocks; Shooter 2.5; Dan from Michigan; Centurion2000
Should have pinged you guys to this, too. Sad, ain't it?
58 posted on 03/28/2004 11:19:11 AM PST by Long Cut ("Man, don't hit me with those negative waves SOOoo early in the morning." - Oddball)
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To: Long Cut
There can be no logic in making a category mistake; it's like saying Philadelphia will be classified as a suburb of Pittsburgh by a new statute.

Socialists want to make every word a legal "term of art," defined by statute and devoid of plain meaning. Thus we would have to look to the government to tell us what words mean. They irrationally fear rifles, but they are terrified to the utmost by words of truth.

This Orwellian strategy assails the First Amendment, too, if we think about it. Using words in a manner that countermands their statutory meaning would be legally moot, and possibly even illegal.
65 posted on 03/28/2004 11:59:42 AM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Long Cut; All
Buy ammo now while you can, the time's gettin' short...

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

72 posted on 03/28/2004 12:53:14 PM PST by wku man (Breathe, Relax, Aim, Squeeze...)
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To: Long Cut
Look what was tried in WI.

WCCA alert: Doyle/Baumgart bill gets worse (99% banned)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/614867/posts

Baumgart, Doyle Propose Gun Ban
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/612231/posts

Doyle urges fight against gun lobbyists

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3896049f7e88.htm


76 posted on 03/28/2004 2:06:18 PM PST by quietolong
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