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Author Reports Theft of Some of Kerry's FBI Files (New Info - New Spin)
L.A. Times ^ | March 27th, 2004 | John Gilonna

Posted on 03/27/2004 8:47:20 AM PST by Sabertooth

Nicosia said he suspected that the thieves were specifically in pursuit of the files because a camera and other expensive items in the home were left untouched. He added that he did not know exactly what material was taken because it was not cataloged or marked. Three of 14 boxes of files that had been stacked in his kitchen are missing. He said he was moving the remaining documents to a secure location Friday afternoon. Nicosia has not yet looked at all the files. Last week he allowed The Times to photocopy 50 pages concerning the FBI's monitoring of Kerry in the fall of 1971. The author also supplied the same 50 photocopied pages to Kerry. The Times published a story about the files Monday.

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Nicosia said he left home Thursday and returned to find several doors inside his house ajar. He said he did not realize until Friday morning that there had been a theft. "The police told me that burglars very easily could have come in through a sliding door without signs of a forced entry," he said. He added that he had no idea why the thieves didn't take all 14 of the boxes. "My guess is that they were surprised during the act and didn't have time to take everything — maybe the dog next door barked," Nicosia said. He said that while the boxes had been tightly packed when released by the FBI, he saw signs that ones not previously opened had been riffled. Lovenguth said police were investigating the case as a burglary. "Our investigating is ongoing," he said. "We're waiting for the victim to tell us exactly what was missing so we know what we're looking for." "Whoever did this wanted to know something about John Kerry," Nicosia said. The author said that he promised at one point to deliver the files to Kerry so the senator could more fully review the information gathered about him. "But in the meantime, somebody got there first," Nicosia said.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: 2004; conspiracy; fbifiles; geraldnicosia; kerry; kerry2004; kerryfbiburglary; kerryfbifiles; kerrygate1972; kerrygate1973; nicosia; phoenixproject; theft; vvaw
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To: Sabertooth

Stolen Files Found


John Kerry Computer
21 posted on 03/27/2004 9:23:06 AM PST by armymarinemom (Military Families Speak Out DOES NOT SPEAK for me)
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To: HarryCaul
It also has the side-effect of tossing just a tiny bit more paranoia into the Kerry camp.

Maybe.

Who knows who has what information now?

The person who has it.

22 posted on 03/27/2004 9:25:43 AM PST by VadeRetro
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To: Sabertooth
Evidently the person(s) stealing these files either did not know they too could get a copy under the FOI act or they were concerned about going that route for some reason (like giving their name?) and decided to steal them.

Or, I guess one other possibility is a set up. Steal the files, blame the theft on Republicans. Of course, this possibility does not stand up either as anyone can get copies through the FOI act.

23 posted on 03/27/2004 9:26:05 AM PST by technomage
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To: armymarinemom
Re: John Kerry Compuer -- Good one, thanks for the laugh!!
24 posted on 03/27/2004 9:32:40 AM PST by mean lunch lady (Native Floridian)
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To: Texasforever; Glenn; big ern; Publius Maximus; ladyinred; DoctorMichael; 1066AD; LibWhacker; ...



Flagging folks from last night's thread:

Author who uncovered
John Kerry surveillance files
reports some stolen

AP ^ | March 26th, 2004 | Ron Harris

Sorry for any duplicate pings.


25 posted on 03/27/2004 9:37:14 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: VadeRetro


The files are not original with Nicosia. In theory, anyone could obtain them under the FOIA. What exactly does this crime accomplish except cover Nicosia's butt?

See my #10.

Files were taken that Nicosia never read, therefore he won't know if he's gotten them back from the FBI, whenever it is that he happens to get them back.


26 posted on 03/27/2004 9:41:01 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Sabertooth
Don't suppose hanoi john had a hand in this do you?
27 posted on 03/27/2004 9:43:08 AM PST by GailA (Kerry I'm for the death penalty for terrorist, but I'll declare a moratorium on the death penalty)
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To: VadeRetro
Anyway, there's not much to point to for supporting data, suddenly. The man with the files doesn't have the files.

Well, not all of the files were taken, and we don't know at this point if the files on the Kansas City meeting where Kerry debated the Senatorial assassination plot with other members of the VVAW.

In any case, there are VVAW eyewitnesses who have placed Kerry at the meeting.


28 posted on 03/27/2004 9:44:11 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Sabertooth
Nicosia said he left home Thursday and returned to find several doors inside his house ajar. He said he did not realize until Friday morning that there had been a theft. "The police told me that burglars very easily could have come in through a sliding door without signs of a forced entry," he said.

He comes home and the doors are open and he doesn't think anything of it??

These boxes are sitting in his kitchen and he didn't notice any missing till a day later?

Either this guy is a complete idiot or there is something more that he's not telling

29 posted on 03/27/2004 9:48:20 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: William McKinley
EXACTLY!!
30 posted on 03/27/2004 9:49:17 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: All
Author who uncovered John Kerry surveillance files reports some stolen
      Posted by Sabertooth
On 03/26/2004 7:52:53 PM PST with 108 comments


AP ^ | March 26th, 2004 | Ron Harris
The man who uncovered evidence the FBI tailed presidential candidate John Kerry for months in 1971 said some of those files were stolen this week. Author Gerald Nicosia reported to police Friday that three of the 14 boxes of once-secret FBI files he obtained under the Freedom of Information Act were taken from his Corte Madera home. Particular files from the remaining 11 boxes were also taken, Nicosia said, including files containing documents about Kerry that hadn't been reviewed yet by others. "The three files folders about John Kerry were taken," Nicosia said. "Those revelations are lost now, at least...
     
 
The VVAW Assassination Discussion - "A lot of people were convinced that this was the way to do it."
      Posted by Hon
On 03/24/2004 7:43:30 PM PST with 58 comments


March 25, 2004 | Compiled
Sometime during a national meeting of the Vietnam Veterans Against The War (VVAW) held November 12-14, 1971 there was an intense "discussion" and vote on a plan offered by Scott Camil to assassinate top Congressional leaders who had voted to continue funding the war in Vietnam. There has been much discussion here and some in the media of this topic. The details are getting confused, and few people have seen any of the original source material. I first came upon the subject in early February when I was looking for information about Kerry in "Winter Soldiers," by Richard Staciewicz. The...
     
 
Kerry Still Backpedaling on Presence at 1971 Anti-War Meetings
      Posted by Sabertooth
On 03/24/2004 2:12:11 AM PST with 23 comments


CNS News.com ^ | March 24th, 2004 | Mark Morano
(CNSNews.com) - Five days after CNSNews.com reported that Democrat John Kerry had attended a 1971 anti-war meeting at which the possible assassination of U.S. senators was discussed, the presidential hopeful is still backpedaling on statements regarding his whereabouts during that meeting. Kerry at first denied attending the November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in Kansas City, Mo. According to FBI files obtained by CNSNews.com, that 1971 meeting included talk of possibly assassinating U.S. senators. VVAW members discussed targeting then-Senators Strom Thurmond of South Carolina, John Tower of Texas and John Stennis of Mississippi because of...
     
 
CNN: Documents reveal FBI surveillance of Kerry in early 1970s
      Posted by Oldeconomybuyer
On 03/23/2004 5:18:04 AM PST with 52 comments


CNN ^ | 3-23-04 | From Phil Hirschkorn
NEW YORK (CNN) -- John Kerry's combat experience in Vietnam is central to his bid to become the next commander-in-chief, but Kerry's outspoken opposition to that war drew the personal attention of the president of the United States and FBI agents 33 years ago, documents reviewed by CNN reveal. After Kerry became the national spokesman of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in 1971, he came under continued surveillance by the FBI, which filed thousands of pages of reports on the VVAW and Kerry himself. It was Kerry, the articulate Yale graduate and Navy lieutenant with three Purple Hearts for...
     
 
Kerry hedges on 1971 KC meeting [for assassination plot]
      Posted by nwrep
On 03/19/2004 8:38:34 PM PST with 72 comments


Knight Ridder ^ | March 19, 2004 | SCOTT CANON
KANSAS CITY - (KRT) - Confronted with 32-year-old FBI records, Sen. John Kerry's campaign all but conceded he attended a 1971 Kansas City meeting where a fellow anti-war veteran called for political assassinations. Those active in Vietnam Veterans Against the War at the time stress that the suggestion for such a violent approach was angrily rejected. They say their memories do not include Kerry taking part in the radical discussion. A statement Thursday by Kerry's camp said the Massachusetts Democrat did not recall the meeting, although FBI surveillance material and the group's archives clearly show that Kerry resigned from his...
     
 
KERRY RETREATS FROM HIS DENIAL ON VIETNAM MEET - Evidence Puts Him At Kansas Parley
      Posted by kennedy
On 03/19/2004 9:07:07 AM PST with 422 comments


New York Sun ^ | Mar 19, 2004 | JOSH GERSTEIN
MILL VALLEY, Calif. — Senator Kerry of Massachusetts yesterday retreated from his earlier steadfast denials that he attended a meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War at which a plan to assassinate U.S. Senators was debated. The reversal came as new evidence, including reports from FBI informants, emerged that contradicted Mr. Kerry’s previous statements about the gathering, which was held in Kansas City, Mo. in November 1971. “John Kerry had no personal recollection of this meeting 33 years ago,” a Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, said in a statement e-mailed last night from Idaho, where Mr. Kerry is on vacation....
     
 
Kerry Lying About Anti-War Past, Supporter Alleges
      Posted by kattracks
On 03/18/2004 2:58:03 AM PST with 114 comments


CNSNEWS.com ^ | 3/18/04 | Marc Morano
(CNSNews.com) - A Vietnam War historian and supporter of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has told CNSNews.com that Kerry is lying about key events related to his anti-war activities in 1971. Kerry said he hasn't spoken to former anti-war associate Al Hubbard since the two men appeared side by side on national television in April 1971, but according to author Gerald Nicosia, that assertion is wrong. So is Kerry's insistence that he did not attend a November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), at which group members discussed the possibility of assassinating U.S. senators who were still...
     
 
Pro-Kerry Historian: Kerry Lies About Anti-war Activities
      Posted by areafiftyone
On 03/18/2004 6:35:35 AM PST with 5 comments


Newsmax ^ | 3/18/04
A Vietnam War historian and supporter of Democrat presidential candidate John Kerry has told CNSNews.com that Kerry is lying about key events related to his anti-war activities in 1971. Kerry said he hasn't spoken to former anti-war associate Al Hubbard since the two men appeared side by side on national television in April 1971, but according to author Gerald Nicosia, that assertion is wrong. So is Kerry's insistence that he did not attend a November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, at which group members discussed the possibility of assassinating U.S. senators who were still supporting the war...
     
 
John Kerry's Political Friends
      Posted by kattracks
On 03/15/2004 1:42:17 AM PST with 18 comments


NY Sun via FrontPagemagazine.com ^ | 3/15/04 | Thomas H. Lipscomb
The anti-war group that John Kerry was the principal spokesman for debated and voted on a plot to assassinate politicians who supported the Vietnam War. Mr. Kerry denies being present at the November 12-15, 1971, meeting in Kansas City of Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and says he quit the group before the meeting. But according to the current head of Missouri Veterans for Kerry, Randy Barnes, Mr. Kerry,who was then 27,was at the meeting, voted against the plot, and then orally resigned from the organization. Mr. Barnes was present as part of the Kansas City host chapter for the...
     
 
THE KERRY DOSSIER (post here anything you've uncovered on Kerry)
      Posted by Liz
On 02/11/2004 10:04:05 AM PST with 468 comments


2/11/04 | FR INVESTIGATIVE TEAM
<p>WASH TIMES 2/11 Rep. Sam Johnson, Texas Republican, who spent nearly seven years in a prisoner-of-war camp in Vietnam, said yesterday the photograph of Mr. Kerry with Miss Fonda will hurt him nevertheless. "I think it symbolizes how two-faced he is, talking about his war reputation, which is questionable on the one hand, and then coming out against our veterans who were fighting over there on the other," Mr. Johnson said. Mr. Johnson recalled that his North Vietnamese captors played recordings of Miss Fonda telling U.S. troops to give up the war. "Seeing this picture of Kerry with her at antiwar demonstrations in the United States just makes me want to throw up."</p>
     

31 posted on 03/27/2004 9:55:16 AM PST by Sabertooth (< /Kerry>)
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To: Mo1; doug from upland

"Exactly" to you too.
Doug, you're fabulous.


32 posted on 03/27/2004 9:56:05 AM PST by onyx (Kerry' s a Veteran, but so were Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh and Benedict Arnold.)
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To: Sabertooth
The author said that he promised at one point to deliver the files to Kerry so the senator could more fully review the information gathered about him. "But in the meantime, somebody got there first," Nicosia said.

Sweet.

Is it me or does he not seem the least disturbed at the idea that someone was skulking around in his home. I'd be creeped out and not chirping about maybe someone wanted a piece of posterity like the Berlin Wall, for crying out loud.

This would lend itself more to the notion that he helpfully 'lost' the boxes so any nosy reporters who could nail down via records how many boxes of documents had been delivered to Nicosia and asked him, this is his way of explaining why 3 boxes are no longer in his possession.

My guess, the Kerry camp has them safe out of the reach of any other curious people and they know a new FOI request would take months if not years to fill and never be done before November.

33 posted on 03/27/2004 10:03:40 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: William McKinley
We're on the same wavelength.
34 posted on 03/27/2004 10:04:35 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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To: onyx
Oh and the sliding door without signs of a forced entry theory? It's possible that could have happened but the other signs .. like open doors and missing boxes is a clue he should have noticed

Years ago, my mothers house was broken into. They guy came through the sliding doors. When I came down early in the morning to leave for work .. I noticed the doors were open .. A clue I noticed that something happened .. so I looked around and found the keys to my mothers car were missing ... along with the car.

So I go back .. either this guy is an idiot or there is something he's not telling

35 posted on 03/27/2004 10:07:33 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: cyncooper
My guess, the Kerry camp has them safe out of the reach of any other curious people and they know a new FOI request would take months if not years to fill and never be done before November.

That is what I'm thinking

36 posted on 03/27/2004 10:09:04 AM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Jaded
Must be a California thang.
37 posted on 03/27/2004 10:09:52 AM PST by BARLF
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To: Sabertooth
So what do we still have on Kerry now? How much of the evidence needed to break open the VVAW assassination vote story was possibly in those files?

Why hasn't this story been more widely reported, even by conservatives? What is stopping people from going with this?

I don't know if this Nicosia was "told to leave his sliding door unlocked" and went to dinner, or what. Perhaps no one was even in his house. Perhaps no boxes were even touched, but he needed to "claim" that things were missing. His story sounds fishy for sure.

If Mister Senator was really in a room, voting on whether or not his predecessors could continue to inhale and exhale, the American people need to hear about it. NOW. How can we get them to?

38 posted on 03/27/2004 10:09:55 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: doug from upland
Who wants to call KFWB?

Doug, I will be glad to. However, to what evidence do I point them to get a fuller picture of the story? I don't want to reinvent the wheel. If you could provide me with a talking point or two... LOL!

39 posted on 03/27/2004 10:11:35 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: VadeRetro
It's a big wet blanket on the Nov. 71 meeting story. It's like Nicosia was faking it all along, or got his price and made it look like he'd been faking it.

The story about the meeting was backed by several witnesses and had other sources. Nicosia's revelation that the FBI pegged Kerry in attendance is what had the Kerry camp finally admit he must have been there after all, but his memory about the event is hazy (he claims--I don't believe him).

At any rate, the story did not hinge on Nicosia.

40 posted on 03/27/2004 10:14:25 AM PST by cyncooper ("The 'War on Terror ' is not a figure of speech")
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