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Army 'Can't Go To War For Five Years' (UK)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 3-25-2004 | Michael Smith

Posted on 03/24/2004 5:34:34 PM PST by blam

Army 'can't go to war for five years'

By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 25/03/2004)

Britain's Armed Forces will not be able to mount another operation on the scale of the Iraq war for another five years, the Chief of Defence Staff said yesterday.

Gen Sir Michael Walker told the Commons defence committee that the Army in particular would not be able to recover from operations in Iraq until 2008 or 2009.

"I think we have already accepted that we cannot do another large-scale operation now," he said. "We are unlikely to be able to get to large-scale much before the end of the decade, somewhere around 08 or 09." The claim goes much further than Adml Sir Michael Boyce, his predecessor, who said at the end of the war that the Armed Forces would not be ready for another such operation until the end of this year.

The Army has been stretched to breaking point by its involvement in the war on terrorism and a series of operational commitments in the Falklands, Cyprus, Sierra Leone, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Northern Ireland.

Sir Michael said the Army was still reconstituting units from the Iraq conflict and at the same time undergoing reorganisation.

He told the MPs that if he was asked to send the same number of troops to another troublespot urgently he would have to tell Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, that "something will have to give".

The problems have already affected the deployment of extra troops to Afghanistan to back up the American-led hunt for Osama bin Laden. Defence chiefs have been considering sending 1,400 commandos and paratroopers to support the SAS and US special forces' operation in Afghanistan.

Operation Mountain Storm is led by Task Force 121, which is made up of US and British special forces units and has been ordered to capture bin Laden before the US presidential elections. But Gen John Reith, Chief of Joint Operations, has warned Sir Michael that the British troops could not be committed to the hunt for bin Laden for more than six months.

One of the two units being considered for Afghanistan, the Royal Marines' 40 Commando, was due to be sent to Basra, so if it goes to Afghanistan another infantry unit will have to be sent in its place.

There are even more problems finding paratroopers. The Parachute Regiment's second battalion is in Basra, the first is on standby to fly to Kosovo, and the third, which would have to go, is training for a tour in Northern Ireland.

Sir Michael's complaint to the defence committee comes days after 700 men were sent to Kosovo, adding to the pressure faced by planners to identify units that could be deployed.

Gen Sir Mike Jackson, Chief of General Staff, told the MPs that the Army was short of medics and experts in "human intelligence" gathering, both of which skills are heavily dependent on reservists.

Large numbers are now resigning from the TA, largely because they cannot combine the increasing demands being made on reservists with their civilian careers.

One senior TA source said it was clear that many were waiting to receive their annual £1,000 bonus before resigning.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: army; britishtroops; cant; five; mountainstorm; specialforces; taskforce121; war; years

1 posted on 03/24/2004 5:34:34 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
So if they get attacked in the next five years, they just won't participate?
2 posted on 03/24/2004 5:36:45 PM PST by Williams
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To: blam
You will be surprised what you can do when you have to do it.
3 posted on 03/24/2004 5:40:05 PM PST by TXBSAFH (KILL-9 needs no justification.)
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To: blam
This is what happens when you've relied on the US for your defense for so long. The parties over:)
4 posted on 03/24/2004 5:51:26 PM PST by cwb (Kerry: The only person who could make Bill Clinton look like a moderate.)
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To: blam
It's good that their adversaries will wait until the English Army is ready.
5 posted on 03/24/2004 5:52:48 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: Williams
England has traditionally relied on the Navy for defense, not the army.
6 posted on 03/24/2004 5:53:15 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: proxy_user
I love these newspapers. "has been ordered to capture bin Laden before the US presidential elections." Sounds like the democRATS in the US. Parley
7 posted on 03/24/2004 6:01:53 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: blam
England is a nation of warriors, send out the call and you'll be surprised at the number of noble, strong, honorable men who will turn up.
8 posted on 03/24/2004 6:44:25 PM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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To: blam
nothing like letting your enemies know this...
9 posted on 03/24/2004 6:44:32 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: blam
"I read the news today, oh boy.
The English Army had just passed on war."
10 posted on 03/24/2004 6:50:35 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: blam
5 years?

Try it is no longer going to happen ever again. The current government(Blair's), is too busy slashing the military. Its an empty shell as it is, now they want to even take away that. This is socialism at its finest, or worse depending on ones perspective. And if Blair gets his wishes to push the UK by hook or crook into the Euro land, what ever is left of British culture and history will disappear into that Marxist void.
11 posted on 03/24/2004 6:53:23 PM PST by DarkWaters
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To: blam
They had a large scale operation in Iraq?? Wasn't it something on the order of 7% of the numbers the US sent?/
12 posted on 03/24/2004 7:35:35 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.ArmorforCongress.com......................Send a Freeper to Congress!)
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To: McGavin999; blam
England is a nation of warriors, send out the call and you'll be surprised at the number of noble, strong, honorable men who will turn up.

True, my respect for Brits is pretty high. However what will they fight with? The key in Western-style warfare is paramount quality over mere quantity. If Britain cannot afford to have cutting edge, and be able to project that cutting edge efficacy where it is needed, then how powerful would it be?

Look at Canada. Those guys cannot even afford to fix their Sea Kings, and when transporting their military equipment they had to hire a Russian transport and pay German mercenaries to guard their troops until the equipment came through. Yet the Canadians were brave (i know some will scoff at the brave part, but hey, the guys did support us is Afghanistan). Basically Britain is headed the same way unless urgent measures are taken. Although it can be argued nothing can be done about it ....their economy has too many riders attached to it.

13 posted on 03/24/2004 7:36:46 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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To: spetznaz
I totally support the Canadian military, they are some fine men, and some of the best snipers in the world. I also find it disgusting that their country sends them off to war ill equipped.
14 posted on 03/24/2004 8:04:25 PM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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To: blam
Why not just hang a "kick me" sign on your back?
15 posted on 03/24/2004 8:09:22 PM PST by Myrddin
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