Gun toters halt robbery attempts

Detroit Free Press ^ | Mar 23 | Frank Witsil and Amber Hunt Martin

[nightdriver]

"Nanny Oregon won't even let you guys pump your own gas. Or have they changed that law?"

Nope!

They're still protecting us from ourselves and those mean old bad-nasty capitalistic exploiter of the masses gas station owners!

[Guillermo]

No, you see, the Pig fascist cops want to take your guns away. That's why they "warn" of "dodge city justice".

The most anti-2nd amendment crowd in this country are the police. Job security, you know.

[InABunkerUnderSF]

They're still protecting us from ourselves and those mean old bad-nasty capitalistic exploiter of the masses gas station owners!

Look at it this way, at least your gas burns. I built a cabin (2500 square foot log home) in Siskiyou Co. CA last year and spent a lot of time up and down I5 between Yreka and Lowes in Medford. Oregon gas was about 30 cents a gallon cheaper than CA self serve and I got about 10% better mileage than I do on the MTBE contaminated sludge we have to use.

[nightdriver]

".....I got about 10% better mileage than I do on the MTBE contaminated sludge we have to use."

I believe it. The environazis have the refineries in America having to make some 97 different blends of gasoline just to "satisfy" the arbitrary pollution standards they have nefariously had codified.

That's the biggest reason for the huge increase in gas prices as well.

Calipooia has to be the worst among them all, too.

[epow]

You just walk in, pick it out, fill out the federal forms, wait a couple of minutes while they call in the "Brady Check", and out the door you go; weapon in hand.

Here in GA if you have a CCL you don't have to have the Brady check. It saves a few bucks and a few minutes when you buy a gun. After all, if I passed the 2-month long FBI background check to get the CCL, why should I have to be checked out again every time I buy a gun?

GA is pretty good on the gun issue overall, and if the GA lawmakers would remove a couple of unreasonable restrictions on the CCL it would be even better.

[Squantos]

Gilda clearly has no cents and it's well known among the criminal element thus she has no fear of being robbed !

Stay Safe Dan !

[mrustow]

All I could think about while reading this story, was: if the cases were in New York, the media wouldn't report on the first story at all, unless the woman were black (and it looks like this case may have racial overtones the New York media would definitely not report on). And in the second case, the homeowner who fired in self-defense would have been arrested, and vigorously prosecuted, the media would report on the story as a cautionary tale ("If you keep and use an illegal hand gun, you too will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law"), and Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly would be talking about how dangerous it is, for people to own unlicensed firearms, and how the circumstances of the case did not justify the old man's actions.

Things are so bad in New York, that Nanny Bloomberg has instituted "gun courts" just to prosecute people caught carrying unlicensed firearms. None of the cases I read about, involved using firearms to commit crimes, and yet, whereas in the past, many illegal possession cases resulted in probation, virtually no cases do in gun court. The average sentence is one year in the slammer. Nanny B. considers possession of a weapon by civilians one of the most heinous crimes imaginable.

[Dan from Michigan]

I remember one Gilda story real well. She was having an anti-gun press conference somewhere. She was showing off scary looking guns.....well, her finger was on the trigger and it swung muzzle end toward the crowd....some of them as you can expect ducked.

"Oh, it wasn't loaded, the Michigan State Police showed it to me".

[GrandEagle]

FBI background check to get the CCL
We have two counties that don't do the FBI background check for our CCP. Since it is not a state law to do them, several states don't honor them: and we have to do the "Brady Check".
Good to know there is such a weapom friendly state next door!

[WhiteyAppleseed]

Do you have to have a "purchase permit" for each handgun? Say you were going to buy two handguns in one trip, would you need two permits or just one for the purchase? What about if you bought one then a month later another?

Yes, a "permit" for each one, two permits for two guns, etc. With a concealed pistol license, I think some of the legwork may be eliminated, but I believe you still have to bring the pistol in for a "safety check" at the local sheriff's office, or village police. If you bought one, then a month later, another, you have a pretty good collection going--I don't believe there is a limit on numbers.

[WhiteyAppleseed]

the woman calmly pulled the gun out of her purse and pointed it at the man -- identified as Carl Walker, 21, of Detroit. Walker did not draw his weapon, police said. Instead, he ran

So how does a candidate stay in office with assertions that if given a chance, she would say Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them [guns] in?

[WhiteyAppleseed]

bttt

[GrandEagle]

bring the pistol in for a "safety check" at the local sheriff's office
I know what it sounds like in name but what, in reality, is a "safety check"?
Sounds like a lot of hassle setup just to discourage firearm ownership.
A couple of weeks ago I went out to lunch from work and decided to stop by and check out some handguns. I found a .45 I liked and also found a .22 revolver for my daughter. Filled out the federal "yellow sheet", waited a couple of minutes while they called in the federal "Brady Check", and out the door I went with the two weapons in hand.
Ended up that I didn't like the .45 so I took it back last week. They sold it on consignment for me (I didn't have time to fool with it & it creates a paper trail that I don't own the thing anymore - just in case it ends up north of here sometime). Yesterday I went and picked up my money (ended up costing me about $50.00 all total) and picked out a different .45. I'll try it out this weekend.
Sounds like all of the "red tape" you guys have would have really put the damper on my shopping.
I guess it is all in attitude. It sounds like in your state you have to show just cause why they should allow you to own a firearm; in mine, they have to show just cause why you can't own a firearm.
Does that sound correct?

[WhiteyAppleseed]

They call it a "safety check" and they do look over the pistol and they check numbers on the various parts and record them.
You are required to carry a small wallet-size green card when you carry the pistol with you, the card coming from the green sheet that is filled out then you make a pistol purchase.
With the concealed pistol license, some of this legwork is eliminated--I believe--I haven't purchased a pistol lately.
I'm not sure if you have to bring it in for a "safety check" when you have a concealed pistol license. Probably, but I'm sure any dealer would let you know.
As I recall--it's been a few years--on my first purchase, I had to take a quiz, about ten questions long, like do you or don't you report the theft of a pistol. You do. I can't remember all of the questions, but I answered on the side of caution for all and got 'em all right.
People feared that the world would end with the new concealed pistol laws. The world continued and so far it works fine and it is easier for the public to acquire a concealed pistol license. My wife and I have a license.
For me, I can take the four-wheeler off the truck, throw my fishing gear on the rack, shoulder a pistol, and go fishing.
I can have a pistol in my truck, without it being in a case, as I head out to the catfish hole (actually trout stream or lake)and I drive from one spot to another without having to store everything for the short trip.
My wife is enjoying to learn how to shoot. I have a Calico that's a lot of fun. Haven't tried out the .50 cal, yet.
She has problems with the semi-autos except for the .22s, unless I chamber a round.

[GrandEagle]

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Doesn't sound too bad once you get it all done.
I've not had the pleasure of firing a .50. I hear it is a blast. My favorite carry is the .45 Colt. My favorite at the range is my .44 mag (when I can afford to feed it).
My wife too carries. The bad guys better hope I get after them, I might miss; she is very good!
Don't be embarrassed, if after some practice, she out shoots you!
My wife had a bit of trouble with semi autos for a while, I was watching her and found that she was limp-wristing the thing. That was causing the slide to fail to fully chamber the next round. She has stopped doing that but usually carries a small 38 cal revolver with +P loads as her carry weapon. Since she has to consciously think about using the semi-auto correctly I thought a revolver would be the best for a "duress" type situation.

[GrandEagle]

Oddly enough, according to our AG's office, my CCP is good in Michigan and yours down here.
http://www.ago.state.al.us/ag_items.cfm?Issue=64 Our previous AG worked really hard getting agreements with other states. We have a new one now (AG); go to wait and see how he works out.

[GrandEagle]

Oddly enough, according to our AG's office, my CCP is good in Michigan and yours down here.
http://www.ago.state.al.us/ag_items.cfm?Issue=64 Our previous AG worked really hard getting agreements with other states. We have a new one now (AG); go to wait and see how he works out.

[Dan from Michigan]

Our AG, Mike Cox has kept his promise on reciprocity. Michigan recognized all CPL/CCW/CCP permits outside under the old law, and I think that is the same thing now. He said he's work to get ours recognized in other states, and I know he has done that in at least three or four of them since taking office.

He's better than Granholm was, that's for sure.

[judgeandjury]

"People should feel able to protect themselves in their own homes, there's some argument there," said (Gilda) Jacobs, who as a state representative voted against the concealed weapons law in 2002. "But do we want a bunch of vigilantes running around with guns to do the police's work?"

Poor little Gilda. She doesn't seem to understand the simple concept of a law abiding citizen being allowed to defend themself against dangerous criminals. The mind is a terrible thing to waste, Gilda.