Posted on 03/24/2004 6:32:51 AM PST by 2banana
I read your great letters. You ask some very good questions. Let’s discuss them. I can only talk for myself and from my experiences (I do not speak for the US Army).
1. The Internet is a great tool for researching but you have to know what your sources are and “not believe everything you read” just because you found an official looking website talking about an issue you are interested in. I found this true in Afghanistan as well, as one village would say “the village on the other side of the mountain is Taliban” and when we got to the second the village they would say the same thing about the first village (both villages were not Taliban but had their own “hidden agendas”). If you were researching the history of the Soviet Union, you would take with much skepticism what a communist group/web site has to say about it. The same is true for the War in Afghanistan and the War in Iraq.
Human Right Watch (HRW) is an anti-war and anti-American military organization. This organization was against the wars in Iraq and in Afghanistan from the start. They claimed a "humanitarian disaster" if America tried to topple Saddam Hussein (never happened) and historically accuses the American military of human rights violations without any evidence. Most of HRW's contributing members are part of the anti-military and anti-President Bush crowd. Now this doesn’t mean we should not hear what HWR has to say or consider their evidence, but we should understand what the source is of this information. Funny how I never heard of HRW when Saddam and the Taliban were filling their mass graves (and I have seen plenty of them).
2. The “Geneva Convention (GC)” is a term thrown around a lot these days. Very few people actually know what is in this treaty (I suggest your class does a research project on it). The GC was created and signed right after the wreckage of WWII (1949), principally to provide specific rules to safeguard combatants who are wounded, sick or prisoners of war (POW’s) after their terrible actions by some countries during that conflict.
A combatant is someone in the military service of a country that wears a uniform with a “fixed distinctive sign”, openly carries a weapon, “obeys the laws of war” and answers to a chain of command. American military forces diligently follow these rules. Terrorists that the American military is fighting in Afghanistan do not. Even under the Geneva Convention, spies, saboteurs, terrorists and criminals may be tried and punished (up to death).
POW’s have the right (among other things) not to be tortured, medical treatment, keeping personal effects (pictures, ID card, etc.), to be placed out of danger, food, water, clothing, religion, and not to work in industries that support the enemy’s war effort. POW’s have no rights to lawyers, counsel, observers (except the Red Cross) or family visits. POW’s are not part of the American criminal system.
The American military goes above and beyond what is in the GC and has done so since even before this treaty was in place. German troops in WWII would travel hundreds of miles to surrender to the American Army instead of the Russian Army. To this day, former German POW’s have such fond memories of their treatment that they take tours of their American POW camps. At the end of the Korean War, it was a major political issue as the majority of hundred of thousands of North Korean and Chinese POW’s did not want to go back to their homelands due to their decent treatment at the hand of the Americans. During the Gulf War and the Liberation of Iraq, most of the Iraqi army surrendered and did not put up a fight. They knew they would be treated well by the Americans as a POW.
America treats POW’s well for three purposes. One, it is the right thing to do. Two, we would rather have enemy personnel surrender than fight them as it saves lives on both sides. Three, we want the enemy to know that their POWs are well treated so that they will treat American POWs well. Sadly, this rarely happens (just look to recent case of POW Jessica Lynch who had her legs broken and was raped by the Iraqi Army).
3. Using HRW’s own figures, about 1000 Afghans have been “placed under control (PUC)” by the Americans. We should put this into perspective. Afghanistan is a country with over 23 million people and about the size of Texas. The American military have been there since almost right after September 11, 2001 (about 900 days). So the American military is averaging about 1 Afghan person “PUCed” a day for this whole country in the middle of a war for all combat operations. That actually sounds like a very low number to me.
4. HRW makes some very general accusations about American operations and the treatment of “PUCs.” It is hard to respond to general accusations. I can tell you that the American military is trained to respect human rights and tries to avoid civilian casualties if at all possible. I have had several missions canceled due to the possibility of civilian casualties. Unfortunately, sometimes civilians get hurt. That happens in war especially against an enemy that deliberately tries to inflict as much civilian deaths as possible and does not abide by the GC’s rules for combatants.
5. To address the specific accusation that HWR interviewed former detainees and found that “US Forces severely beat them, doused them with cold water and subjected them to freezing temperatures. Many said they were forced to stay awake, or to stand or kneel in painful positions for extended period of time”
My first thought is, that this is the best they could come up with? An anti-American and anti-war organization interviews former detainees, who may possibly be Taliban or Al-Qaeda, and the very worst is that these guys had to endure is that they had to take a cold shower? If the American military really wanted to torture people, I am sure they could come up with better curriculum (they could always ask Jessica Lynch for some ideas). I have actually released some PUCs. They all commented that they were treated well and all had gained weight while being a PUC.
My second thought is that I lived in Army barracks without heat and without hot water (and getting fed some pretty bad Army food) during many Army training courses. Come to think of it, for most of my time in Afghanistan, I didn’t have heat or hot showers. I don’t remember being interviewed by HWR or an outcry for an investigation.
6. Any PUCs that my team took were well cared for. They got three meals a day (the same food we ate), water and a warm place to sleep. No one beat them or even touched them. We had to send all information we had on them to higher immediately. If they were deemed a “small fish,” we let them go. Because of this and other reasons, we would not waste our time with “arbitrarily detained civilians.” I am sure all American units felt the same way.
Summary:
The US military is trained to uphold human rights, the Geneva Convention and the Hague Conferences (1907). From what I have seen, the US military goes out of its way to avoid civilian casualties (even to the point of degrading military operations). If abuse cases of US military personnel are discovered (and individual cases may happen), those involved will be persecuted under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) which is a lot tougher than the civilian justice system. No other country in the world has such a long tradition or takes as serious the well treating their POWs.
Best Regards,
(CPT) 2banana
Brilliant work, sir! Thanks for your service!
" WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
DIVERSITY IS STRENGTH"
You're a better person than I am. I would've gone back to that school and presented the facts to that history "teacher" in front of her students.
It's great that you took the time to respond to the class. Now, I wonder if the teacher shared that letter with her students.
Wonderful response to the girls and their teacher! I hope the girls take your suggestion about researching the GC seriously. It may just open their eyes to just how compassionate this country is when it comes to POWs and civilians in an war zone.
My instructor is a leftist...and we're just about to start on the Cold War...I have already placed a call to our local mental institution to reserve a room for myself :-)
Most of us are more likely to know Dr. Lineberger by his psuedonym, Cordwainer Smith, author of poignent, bizarre, Christianity-embued science fiction stories in the 1960s.
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