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Live Thread - September 11 Commission, Day 2, Wednesday, March 24, 2004
CSPAN 3, CBS webfeed ^ | March 24, 2004

Posted on 03/24/2004 6:11:22 AM PST by TomGuy

Live thread for Day 2 of the September 11 Commission Hearings.

CSPAN 3 seems to be the only CSPAN covering this in various formats. http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS3&ShowVidDays=30&ShowVidDesc=

Also CBS webfeed opens Real Player. http://cgi.cbs.com/video/video.pl?url=/broadcast/*/livenews.rm&plugin=1&proto=rtsp

CBS news website may have other feed formats.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 911commission; armitage; cia; cspan; richardclarke; sandyberger; tenet
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To: Republican Red
Good one!!! According to him, he was the be-all and end-all of everything that ever was about security and terrorism .. I had this image of him scurrying around .. wringing his hands because he was the ONLY one who really knew what was going to happen and the sky was always falling. Very scaaaaaaary person! What's disconcerting to me was that some of his comments were pretty believable and coherent, but then it was always about HIM .. people wouldn't believe HIM .. wouldn't listen to HIM .. like he was THE supreme commander of terrorist info, and then you have the conflicting positions, depending on who he was speaking to.

I liked Fred Fielding a lot .. and he made a huge point of pointing out the absurd dispecrepancies in Clarke's testimony before various commissions AND his public statements and book content after he quit.

2,981 posted on 03/24/2004 3:32:59 PM PST by STARWISE (Prayer is miraculous. Pray for those in need + please pray for our brave and vigilant military.)
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To: CyberAnt
anybody watch abc news tonight?
2,982 posted on 03/24/2004 3:33:29 PM PST by tapatio (Democrats adrenaline can fly into nut control.Beware!)
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To: PISANO
You're giving up toooooo easy!!
2,983 posted on 03/24/2004 3:33:58 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: YaYa123
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FEBRUARY 1997 : (IRAQ SHIPS WEAPONS FROM YEMEN TO SUDAN) In late February, ships began arriving in Port Sudan loaded with Iraqi weapons removed from a storage in Yemen. The first ship to arrive was the al-Obied under the command of Captain Naji Asam Maki. It arrived from Mukalla (in Yemen) carrying, among other arms, 600 anti-tank weapons. Sudan officially denied the arrival of Iraqi weapons. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1997 : (SUDAN : WMD : USE OF MUSTARD GAS) In 1997, several reports of use of Mustard Gas canisters during bombing raids in eastern Sudan, mainly in the Tulushi/Tulus mountains area, were corroborated independently. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

MARCH 1997 : (SUDAN & IRAQ PLEDGE MUTUAL SUPPORT) However, soon after ships arrived in Port Sudan with Iraqi weapons in early March 1997, Sudan and Iraq pledged mutual support during talks here between Umar al-Bashir and the visiting Iraqi presidential envoy Shabib al-Malik. Bashir asked Malik to assure Saddam Hussein of Sudan's "support for Iraq and its rejection of attempts for UN sanctions against that Arab country." Malik expressed Iraq's support for Sudan "against the aggression it is facing" and promised military and other help. Most important was the conclusion reached by Iraqi military experts that only a ruthless total war has a chance of defeating the Black rebels in southern Sudan. Now, Malik assured Bashir that Iraq was ready to support and facilitate the required escalation given certain specific conditions -- Iraq would build in Sudan sophisticated factories for chemical and biological weapons from systems presently hidden in Iraq and Sudan, as well as components acquired in the West and share some of the products with the Sudanese Armed Forces. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

MAY 1997 : (IRAQ TRANSFERS WMD PRODUCTION EQUIPMENT & MATERIALS TO SUDAN) In early May 1997, Iraq began to secretly transfer to Sudan equipment and materials for the production of weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein authorized the dispatch to Sudan of various components he had so far kept hidden in Iraq as a strategic reserve. Further more, Iraqi experts arrived in Sudan to begin preparing the storage and production of biological weapons that Saddam originally planned to use against the Kurds. At the same time, Iraqi teams conducted simulation training on firing long-range SCUD missiles even though Iraq is authorized to manufacture and own only short-range un-guided missiles. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1997 : (IRAQ EXCERCISES?) Moreover, during 1997, Iraqi military units conducted several simulated deployments and launching of ballistic missiles of the type and range Iraq is not permitted to have. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1997 : (SUDAN : WMD : SUDANESE OPPOSITION, THE NDA, SAYS THE GOVERNMENT OF SUDAN IS MAKING AND USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS) The National Democratic Alliance (NDA), the umbrella of the Sudanese opposition, confirmed in 1997 that the government was manufacturing and using chemical weapons. Three sites were identified and the NDA also reported that underground storage facilities had been constructed in several areas.- "A question of evidence," By Mohamed Khaled, Al-Ahram Weekly On-line, Issue No.397 Published in Cairo by AL-AHRAM established in 1875, 1 - 7 October 1998

1997 summer : (SUDAN CHEMICAL WEAPONS FACILITY COMPLETED) By the Summer of 1997, Khartoum completed the building of a new and far more sophisticated chemical weapons production factory in the region of Kafuri, north of Khartoum on the banks of the Blue Nile. A key strategic installation, the Kafuri facility is under the direct command of Brigadier Bakri Hassan Salih, Sudan's Chief of Security Forces. Moreover, two NIF "ideological officials" -- Imad Hussayn and Jamal Zaatan -- supervise the activities in Kafuri on behalf of Hassan al-Turabi. The Kafuri facility is comprised of five separate departments -- laboratories and test-run/prototype production sites for both chemical weapons (including nerve agents) and biological weapons, as well as storage sites for both bulk chemicals and loaded weapons (both chemical and biological). Initial test runs of some of the production processes of chemical weapons, most likely nerve agents, already has taken place. Among the chemical weapons tested in Kafuri are 122mm and 152mm artillery shells as well as rocket and tactical missile warheads. In building this factory, the Sudanese relied on technical assistance from Iraq and Iran. Additional expertise was provided by experts and technicians from Egypt, Croatia, Bulgaria, and Russia who were recruited by Iraqi intelligence on behalf of the Sudanese. The key experts are residing in a luxurious dormitory inside the compound. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1997 fall : (SUDAN, YARMOOK FACILITY REACHES OPERATIONAL STATUS) The first phase of a chemical production facility in the Yarmook facility in the Mayu area, south of Khartoum was commissioned on August 15, 1996, and the entire complex was in virtual operational status in the Fall of 1997. Formally known as The Yarmook Industrial Complex, the military-controlled strategic installations cover an area of 10x20 kms in al- Shagara, beyond southern Khartoum. There are over 300 small buildings and sheds in seven clusters in the compound. The complex includes a production line for chemical agents, as well as production facilities for military equipment and weapons connected with the use of chemical weapons (warheads, bombs, and cannisters, as well as protective gears, special modifications to combat vehicles carrying these weapons, etc.). The Yarmook production lines for chemical agents are a derivative of comparable facilities built in Iraq. The key production facilities are comprised of German-made machines acquired by Iraqi intelligence and smuggled via Bulgaria. Additional equipment, mainly computers, were purchased by the Iraqis in France. In addition, the compound includes a special medical clinic, sport facilities, a mosque, a high security living site where Muslim foreign experts from Iraq, Iran, and Bulgaria live in two dormitories, guest houses for senior officials from Iraq and Iran (who are involved in these projects and make frequent visits to Sudan), as well as a small farm ensuring the supply of fresh milk, vegetables and dates (independent of the chronic shortages afflicting Sudan). Anticipating large volume production, the Sudanese authorities and the Iraqi experts also began the construction of well protected underground storage sites south of Jebel Awlia (White Nile Province), the Kerari area (north of Omdurman) Shambat al-Araadi (north of Khartoum North), an area west of the Hrriyya bridge (Khartoum), an area near the Horse Race Course Club (in Khartoum South), Green Village (New Development area near Khartoum), as well as in Gedaref, al-Fau, and Shendi. The Sudanese military has recently begun training pilots and artillery officers in the maintaining and use of chemical weapons in a special school set up in the Wadi Seidna military compound (north of Omdurman). Another unique center for the development of chemical weapons for use by Islamist terrorists, mainly those affiliated with Usamah bin-Ladin, is being built near the Islamic Center in Soba (soth west of Khartoum). According to Sudanese opposition sources, Khartoum's plans call for the Kafuri and Mayu installations to go into full production sometimes in 1999. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1997 late : (IRAQ HAS STOCKS OF AGENT 15, WMD) The British learned that Iraq had built up large stocks of an operational version -- Agent 15 -- only in late 1997. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1997 late : (IRAQ'S RELIANCE ON INCREASED MOBILTY ENABLES EASIER CONCEALMENT) Thus, by late 1997, the Iraqis were capable of transferring a few thousand liters of biological materials to new concealed sites within two or three weeks without supervision. As far as Baghdad was concerned, once the materials were hidden, supervision may be permitted to resume as usual. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1997 late - 1998 early : (PORT SUDAN COMPOUND STORAGE SITE) It is claimed that the majority of the Iraqi SCUD-type missiles were stored in a well protected and well concealed site within the Port Sudan military compound in late 1997/early 1998. - "WMD AROUND THE WORLD : SUDAN," http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/sudan/missile/ , March 23, 2000

NOVEMBER 1997 mid : (SUDAN) Khartoum's self-confidence in its growing chemical warfare capabilities came to light in mid November 1997. Sudan formally threatened Uganda with strikes with chemical weapons if it continued to support the Christian Black rebels. This warning came despite Kampala's previous denials of cooperation with the sudanese rebels and Khartoum's adamant denials of CW capabilities or use. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1997 late - 1998 early : (SHIHAB, AL HASSAN APPOINTED TO MILITARY INDUSTRIES AUTHORITY) Another indication of an anticipated expansion of Iraq's ballistic missile activities came in late 1997/early 1998 with the appointment of two senior officers -- Abd-al-Rizzaq Shihab of the Army and Muzahm Tassab al-Hassan of the Air Force -- as deputy heads of the Military Industries authority. Both generals held senior command positions of Iraqi missile forces during the Gulf War and are considered Iraq's leading experts in ballistic missile operations. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1998 early : (SCUD MISSILES & LAUNCHERS IN IRAQ) Meanwhile, despite the ongoing presence of UN inspectors and the threat of resumed bombing, the Iraqi strategic arsenal continued to expand as the current British Government's threat assessment testifies. In early 1998, Iraq is known to possess 48 SCUD-type missiles and six launchers. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1998 early : (SUDAN NOT SEEN TO HAVE SCUD MISSILES OF ITS OWN) As of early 1998, according to the National Air Intelligence Center, Sudan did not possess any SCUD or similar missiles. - "WMD AROUND THE WORLD : SUDAN," http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/sudan/missile/ , March 23, 2000

AUGUST 1998 : (O'NIELL SUPERVISES INVESTIGATION OF THE US EMBASSY BOMBINGS IN KENYA & TANZANIA) John P. O'Neill is the FBI's top terrorist expert - "Body of FBI Terrorist Fighter Found in Wreckage of Trade Center," The Associated Press Published: Sep 21, 2001 (* My note : O'Niell was reportedly killed in the Sept 11, 2001 attacks on the US)

AUGUST 9, 1998 : (SUDAN OFFERS TO EXTRADITE EMBASSY BOMBING SUSPECTS) (two days after the Tanzanian and Kenyan embassy bombings), Sudanese authorities detained two bin Laden operatives thought to be complicit in the attacks. FBI Director Louis Freeh wanted them extradited. Maddy Albright nixed the deal. )Three days later, Bill Clinton leveled a pharmaceutical plant in Khartoum and blasted a tent camp in Afghanistan with cruise missiles. But that’s not all. The article said that after the embassy bombings the Mukhabarat, Sudan's Intelligence Service, cabled the FBI in Washington, offering to turn over two Pakistani men who it believed played a role in the attack. Before the exchange could be made, however, U.S. military forces bombed a Sudanese factory, at which point the Khartoum regime sent the men to Pakistan instead. Rice said it is "completely implausible" that FBI officials, who were on the ground in the region immediately after the embassy bombings, would not have quickly seized upon such an offer if it had been made. According to the article, among the people involved in the effort to pass along Mukhabarat's information was Mansoor Ijaz, a Pakistani-American businessman who it said was a major donor to the Democratic Party and was on personal terms with Clinton, Vice President Al Gore and National Security Adviser Sandy Berger.

AUGUST 20, 1998 : (US STRIKES ON SUDANESE PHARMACEUTICAL PLANT - "ASPIRIN FACTORY SCANDAL")

AUGUST 20, 1998 : (SUDAN : US BOMBS THE SHIFA FACTORY) The Shifa factory in Khartoum, Sudan, was bombed August 20- "Sudanese president says U.S. threatening new strike; U.S.: 'That is total nonsense'," CNN, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report., September 20, 1998, http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9809/20/sudan/

AUGUST 25, 1998 : (WALL STREET JOURNAL : 'LETTER TO THE PRESIDENT' BY MARK HELPRIN - INTERESTING IN LIGHT OF LATER 9/11 ATTACKS) Wall Street Journal 8/25/98 Letter to the President from Mark Helprin ".Certainly it is now permissible to be as blunt with you as you were with the American people when you squared your jaw, pointed your finger and, in intimidating fashion as if you were our sergeant, headmaster, or jailer, commanded us to listen. Even had you not, by your own admission, lied thereafter, this was unforgivable. Presidents do not speak to Americans with such seething disrespect.. For six years you shied away from this--despite the World Trade Center bombings, the CIA shootings, the Somalia massacre, Khobar Towers, etc.--and now, mirabile dictu, you have embraced it. Pray tell, what accounts for your change of heart? Pray tell, why did you do it as you did, sticking the stick into the hornets' nest just enough to stir them up but not enough to shock or discourage them into inaction? Had you mounted a real raid, taken out Mr. bin Laden and his entire apparatus, struck harder, more widely, and at supportive governments as well, committing troops, actually gutting infrastructure, your message would have been less like an effete slap with a soft glove. What options were presented to you by your military advisers? How many levels of more vigorous response did you reject? In the language of war, Mr. President, you have sent an invitation. A war against terrorism would captivate the country and the world, and its timing would be coincident with your battle to remain in office.. Although your advisers already have hinted that they will sexually blackmail selected members of Congress (the 900 FBI files?) it's too late. For too long your defense has been that the charges against you are frivolous. What will you do, then, when the charges move beyond mere perjury, witness and evidence tampering, conspiracy, and obstruction of justice? What will you do when they expand to other instances of perjury, to fraud, conversion of government property, misuse of FBI files, influence peddling, illegal fund-raising, coverup and obstruction of justice, and, most importantly, the solicitation and reception of funds from agents of a foreign power in exchange for favorable consideration? The heart of the matter, Mr. President, is your conduct in regard to China. It is not technically treason, for we are not at war with the Chinese, but it is an isotope of treason, a metaphor of treason, a semblance of treason, the spitting image of treason. For good reason your Justice Department suppresses the facts of this case more even than it suppresses the facts of the others. But what will you do if and when Congress awakens--as it must--merely to honor its most elementary obligations, and with the power entrusted to it by the Constitution breaks open the stiff shell of obstruction you and your surrogates have secreted? What will you do when the data are made public, the hearings are held, the witnesses abandon the Fifth and come back from abroad? What will you do when your promise to the American people that nothing is amiss other than Miss Lewinsky is seen to be yet another lie? What will you do when the truth proves to have been indestructible? What will you do when you yourself begin to realize that you have betrayed your family, your party, and your country? What will you do? I will tell you, sir, what you will do. You will resign." , via Alamo-Girl's Downside Legacy at Two Degrees of President Clinton

AUGUST 26, 1998 : (NY TIMES REPORTS THAT ARMS INSPECTORS IN IRAQ SUSPECT IRAQ MAY HAVE TRANSFERRED SOME OF ITS CHEMICAL WEAPONS RESEARCH AND PRODUCTION TO SUDAN) As that began to come out, several readers were stunned at the news reports. The NYT, Aug 26, explained, "UN weapons inspectors who were charged after the 1991 Persian Gulf War with dismantling Iraq's chemical arms program have for months believed that the Iraqi government might have transferred some of its research and production capacity to Sudan. Their interest, however, focused not on the plant that was attacked, but on a smaller more heavily fortified facility in Khartoum. . . Other indications of Iraq's involvement include the presence of Iraqi officials at the plant for its 'grand opening' in 1996, the US official said. One of the Iraqis believed to have visited the plant was Emad Atti, described as the father of the Iraqi chemical arms program." - "More Criticism; Sudan and Iraq," By Laurie Mylroie , Iraq News, SEPTEMBER 2, 1998

AUGUST 26, 1998 : (NY TIMES REPORTS THAT EMAD ATTI, FATHER OF THE IRAQI CHEMICAL WEAPONS PROGRAM, VISITED A SUDANESE PLANT FOR ITS GRAND OPENING IN 1996) The NYT, Aug 26, [of 98] explained, "UN weapons inspectors who were charged after the 1991 Persian Gulf War with dismantling Iraq's chemical arms program have for months believed that the Iraqi government might have transferred some of its research and production capacity to Sudan. Their interest, however, focused not on the plant that was attacked, but on a smaller more heavily fortified facility in Khartoum. . . Other indications of Iraq's involvement include the presence of Iraqi officials at the plant for its 'grand opening' in 1996, the US official said. One of the Iraqis believed to have visited the plant was Emad Atti, described as the father of the Iraqi chemical arms program." As one reader, a former USG official, remarked, "It raises some serious questions about the dissembling of the administration, like did we forget to tell John Q. Public that Iraqi chemical weapons officials visited a chemical weapons plant while we were saying Saddam was in his box?" Another reader, also a former USG official, asked how long has the administration known about Iraqi cw activity in Sudan and what has it done about it? - "More Criticism; Sudan and Iraq," By Laurie Mylroie , Iraq News, SEPTEMBER 2, 1998

AUGUST 1998 late : (SUDAN TV REPORTS THAT IRAQI VICE PRESIDENT RAMADAN TOURED THE BOMBED SUDANESE PHARMACEUTICAL PLANT) Finally, Iraqi Vice President, Taha Yasin Ramadan, stopped in Khartoum on his way to the Non-Aligned summit in South Africa. As Sudan TV, Aug 31, reported, he toured the bombed factory and said, "The important thing is that we . . . know, and our people know, the intention of the American administration, which is spurred on by Zionists and serves Zionist aims, and what it is seeking by hitting specified areas and specific regions . . . It is up to us to make our people understand, and make them aware, and prepare for other similar situations so that we can choose the best means to confront this great injustice being directed by the United States at the world today." - via "More Criticism; Sudan and Iraq," By Laurie Mylroie , Iraq News, SEPTEMBER 2, 1998

SEPTEMBER 19?, 1998 Saturday : (SUDAN : HEAD OF RULING NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY, AMIN, SAID THE THREAT LETTER ACCUSED SUDAN OF HOSTING GROUPS LOYAL TO BIIN LADEN) Mohammed el-Hassan Amin, head of the political section of the ruling National Congress party, said Saturday that the alleged U.S. message also accused Khartoum of hosting groups loyal to Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden. - "Sudanese president says U.S. threatening new strike; U.S.: 'That is total nonsense'," CNN, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report., September 20, 1998, http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9809/20/sudan/

SEPTEMBER 20?, 1998 Sunday : (SUDAN : RALLY TO MARK THE FIRST MONTH SINCE THE US MISSILE STRIKE ON A SUDANESE FACTORY : PRESIDENT EL-BASHIR SAYS THE US HAS THREATENED TO LAUNCH ANOTHER ATTACK AGAINST SUDAN IF US EMBASSIES ARE ATTACKED AGAIN; RAMSEY CLARK PARTICIPATES IN RALLY AS WELL, APOLOGIZES FOR US ACTION AND CALLS ON US TO QUIT SUPPORTING THE SPLA) KHARTOUM, Sudan (CNN) -- President Omar el-Bashir said Sunday that Washington has threatened to launch another strike against Sudan if U.S embassies are attacked again. The State Department, however, denied that such a threat has been made. "That is total nonsense," a State Department official in Washington told CNN, when asked about el-Bashir's claim. El-Bashir made the remarks at a rally, where thousands of people gathered to mark the first month since a U.S. missile strike against a Sudanese factory. Washington claimed the factory produced chemical weapons agents. Sudan, which insisted the plant made only pharmaceuticals, has called for a U.N. Security Council investigation. A Sudanese parliamentary official said the alleged written threat from Washington was handed to el-Bashir by a former senior Sudanese official. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, did not say when the message was received. Washington also launched missiles against what it called bin Laden's training camp in Afghanistan, accusing the Saudi dissident of being behind the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania on August 7.
El-Bashir said the threat of another strike was made in an unsigned letter he received from the U.S. administration. He gave no details, but warned that his government would respond. "Welcome to a second and third strike. But next time we will not go to the Security Council. We will reserve the right to respond, and our response will be very painful," el-Bashir said at the rally. During the rally in Khartoum on Sunday, el-Bashir pledged that the destroyed factory would remain untouched as a reminder of "American aggression."
Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark also addressed the crowds at the rally, amid shouts of "Allahu Akbar (God is great)." Clark apologized for the U.S. missile strike and called on Washington to compensate Sudan for the loss of the plant, to lift economic sanctions on Sudan and to stop supporting the rebel Sudan Peoples Liberation Army (SPLA). SPLA rebels have been fighting the Khartoum government for 15 years to win greater autonomy for black Africans in the mainly Christian or animist south, from the Muslim, Arabic north. Protesters burned a U.S. flag at the rally as verses from the Muslim holy book were read over loudspeakers. A poster pasted to a truck showed U.S. President Bill Clinton as a donkey with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky mounted on his back. Lewinsky is at the center of a Clinton sex scandal. - "Sudanese president says U.S. threatening new strike; U.S.: 'That is total nonsense'," CNN, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report., September 20, 1998, http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9809/20/sudan/

SEPTEMBER 29, 1998 Tuesday : (SUDAN CALLS FOR INQUIRY INTO US MISSILE ATTACK ON DRUG FACTORY) Sudan yesterday [Sept 29] again called for a Security Council inquiry into the US missile attack on a Khartoum drugs factory which Washington said was used to make chemical weapons. In a speech to the General Assembly, Foreign Minister Mustafa Osman Ismail repeated Sudan's assertion that the factory made only medicines and had no link to Saudi Arabian millionaire Osama bin Laden - the man the US says organised the 7 August bombing of Washington's embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. - "SUDAN: Khartoum again calls for inquiry into US bombing," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 29, 1998 Tuesday : (EGYPT : PRESIDENT MUBARAK SAYS THE AL-SHIFA PLANT THE US TARGETTED IN SUDAN WAS LOCATE D NEAR A CHEMICALS FACTORY; THAT IS WAS POSSIBLE THERE WERE MATERIALS PRODUCED WHICH GOES INTO PRODUCTION OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS) Meanwhile, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said today the al-Shifa plant in Sudan destroyed in the US missile attack was located near a chemicals factory. "The Americans monitored the (al-Shifa) factory for a long time. And there is a chemical plant near that factory," AFP quoted Mubarak as saying in an interview with the 'Al-Ahram' government newspaper. "We know that this factory was for medicine," Mubarak said of al-Shifa. "But it is possible that it produced, as you say, material that goes into the production of chemical weapons," Mubarak said. - "SUDAN: Khartoum again calls for inquiry into US bombing," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 1998 late : (REPORTS THAT MISSILE STRIKE ON PLANT IN SUDAN TOOK PLACE WITH NO DIRECT OR CONVINCING PROOF LINKING AL-SHIFA TO CHEMICAL WEAPONS PRODUCTION OR TO BIN LADEN) Several US officials told the 'New York Times' last week that Washington had no direct or convincing proof to link the al-Shifa to chemical weapons production or to bin Laden. - "SUDAN: Khartoum again calls for inquiry into US bombing," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 1998 late : (FORMER US PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER CALLS FOR INDEPENDENT INQUIRY INTO US AIR STRIKE ON SUDAN) Among others, former President Jimmy Carter have called for an independent inquiry into the US air strike and Washington's allegations. - "SUDAN: Khartoum again calls for inquiry into US bombing," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 1998 late : (REPORTS THAT MISSILE STRIKE ON PLANT IN SUDAN TOOK PLACE WITH NO DIRECT OR CONVINCING PROOF LINKING AL-SHIFA TO CHEMICAL WEAPONS PRODUCTION OR TO BIN LADEN) Several US officials told the 'New York Times' last week that Washington had no direct or convincing proof to link the al-Shifa to chemical weapons production or to bin Laden. - "SUDAN: Khartoum again calls for inquiry into US bombing," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 1998 late : (FORMER US PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER CALLS FOR INDEPENDENT INQUIRY INTO US AIR STRIKE ON SUDAN) Among others, former President Jimmy Carter have called for an independent inquiry into the US air strike and Washington's allegations. - "SUDAN: Khartoum again calls for inquiry into US bombing," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 29, 1998 Tuesday : (SUDAN CALLS FOR INQUIRY INTO US MISSILE ATTACK ON DRUG FACTORY) Sudan yesterday [Sept 29] again called for a Security Council inquiry into the US missile attack on a Khartoum drugs factory which Washington said was used to make chemical weapons. In a speech to the General Assembly, Foreign Minister Mustafa Osman Ismail repeated Sudan's assertion that the factory made only medicines and had no link to Saudi Arabian millionaire Osama bin Laden - the man the US says organised the 7 August bombing of Washington's embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. - "SUDAN: Khartoum again calls for inquiry into US bombing," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 29, 1998 Tuesday : (EGYPT : PRESIDENT MUBARAK SAYS THE AL-SHIFA PLANT THE US TARGETTED IN SUDAN WAS LOCATE D NEAR A CHEMICALS FACTORY; THAT IS WAS POSSIBLE THERE WERE MATERIALS PRODUCED WHICH GOES INTO PRODUCTION OF CHEMICAL WEAPONS) Meanwhile, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak said today the al-Shifa plant in Sudan destroyed in the US missile attack was located near a chemicals factory. "The Americans monitored the (al-Shifa) factory for a long time. And there is a chemical plant near that factory," AFP quoted Mubarak as saying in an interview with the 'Al-Ahram' government newspaper. "We know that this factory was for medicine," Mubarak said of al-Shifa. "But it is possible that it produced, as you say, material that goes into the production of chemical weapons," Mubarak said. - "SUDAN: Khartoum again calls for inquiry into US bombing," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 29, 1998 Tuesday : (KENYA : RED CROSS SAYS IT IS RECEIVING DOZENS OF PATIENTS FROM SOUTHERN SUDAN, MANY WITH GUNSHOT WOUNDS) The ICRC said in a statement that it was continuing to receive "dozens of patients" from south Sudan, many with gunshot wounds, every month at its hospital at Lokichokio in northern Kenya. Yesterday's statement said that since the beginning of the year, a total of 1,280 patients had been admitted at the 560-bed ICRC-administered hospital. - "More war victims arrive at ICRC hospital," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 29, 1998 Tuesday : (EGYPT : ARAB LEAGUE VOICES CONCERN OVER SITUATION IN SUDAN; SUDAN CLAIMS IT MUST FIGHT A THREAT FROM UGANDAN & ERITREAN TROOPS IN SOUTHERN SUDAN) the Arab League voiced concern over the situation in Sudan where the government has Meanwhile, yesterday [Sept 29] in Cairo ordered a general mobilisation to fight what it says is a threat from Ugandan and Eritrean troops in the south of the country. "The Arab League is monitoring with deep concern the escalation in southern Sudan and the external threats targeting the unity and territorial integrity of Sudan," Secretary-General for Arab affairs Ahmed Ben Helli as telling reporters. - "WFP AFP quoted Arab League Assistant expresses concern," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

SEPTEMBER 30, 1998 Wednesday : (WFP DIRECTOR BERTINI EXPRESSES CONCERN OVER RESURGENCE OF FIGHTING IN SOUTHERN SUDAN) Catherine Bertini, Executive Director of WFP, has expressed her agency's concern over the resurgence of fighting in southern Sudan, saying renewed conflict around Torit and Liria has put the lives of some 52,000 Sudanese living in the area at risk. Bertini said in a statement that since 20 September more than 800 people had fled to Juba because of fighting near their homes. WFP had just finished distributing 81 mt of food to Torit's 12,000 inhabitants when hostilities broke out. - "WFP expresses concern," "IRIN Update 513 for 30 Sep 1998," U N I T E D N A T I O N S Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs Integrated Regional Information Network for Central and Eastern Africa Tel: +254 2 622147 Fax: +254 2 622129 e-mail: irin@ocha.unon.org IRIN Update No. 513 Central and Eastern Africa (Wednesday 30 September 1998) via UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA - AFRICAN STUDIES CENTER, http://www.africa.upenn.edu/Hornet/irin513.html

OCTOBER 4, 1998 : (REPORT SURFACES THAT CLINTON ADMINISTRATION DID NOT CONSULT WITH JOINT CHIEFS OR THE FBI ABOUT PROPOSED BOMBING RAIDS) "The White House planned bombing raids on suspected terrorist targets in Afghanistan and the Sudan without involving four members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and FBI Director Louis Freeh, The New Yorker magazine reported. The magazine also said in its Oct. 12 edition, due on newsstands Monday, that Attorney General Janet Reno was ignored when she questioned whether evidence linking Islamic extremist Osama bin Laden to the terrorist bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa was strong enough to justify the retaliatory attacks. The Aug. 20 Tomahawk missile strikes hit bin Laden's purported terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and a chemical plant in Khartoum, Sudan. President Clinton said the latter raid was based on evidence of a nerve gas component found at the Al Shifa plant. The New Yorker said the White House consulted Joint Chiefs Chairman Hugh Shelton on the raid plans but instructed him not to brief the three generals and one admiral who run the nation's armed forces, nor to consult with experts in the Defense Intelligence Agency.." - AP via FoxNews, 10/4/98 via Alamo-Girl's Downside Legacy at Two Degrees of President Clinton

1999 : (SUDAN, POSSIBLE PRODUCTION OF WEAPONS ) According to Sudanese opposition sources, Khartoum's plans call for the Kafuri and Mayu installations to go into full production sometimes in 1999. The Iraqi and Iranian experts anticipate the Kafuri installations to be largely operational in the first half of 1999, and the Mayu production and weaponization facilities to be operational in the second half of that year. - Yossef Bodansky, "The Iraqi WMD Challenge - Myths and Reality," TASK FORCE ON TERRORISM & UNCONVENTIONAL WARFARE, U.S. House of Representatives, Washington, D.C. 20515 , February 10, 1998

1999 late : (NORTH KOREA OFFERS SUDAN MISSILE FACTORY) In late 1999 it was reported that a US intelligence agency reported that North Korea had offered to sell Sudan a factory for assembling Scud missiles.- "WMD AROUND THE WORLD : SUDAN," http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/sudan/missile/ , March 23, 2000

2000 early : (NORTH KOREAN DELEGATION & IRAQIS MEET IN SUDAN, IRAQ FINANCES NORTH KOREAN MISSILE PLANT) Other reports suggest that in early 2000 a delegation of North Korean technical experts and a military research mission from Baghdad met in Khartoum. With $475 million in Iraqi financing, North Korea is said to be building a missile plant near Khartoum. Although most of this sum would go to North Korea for turnkey construction and facility staffing, Sudan would receive some payment for supporting and hosting the operation. The facility would enable Iraq to refurbish the old missiles stored in Sudan, and to build new longer-range missiles. - "WMD AROUND THE WORLD : SUDAN," http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/sudan/missile/ , March 23, 2000

2,984 posted on 03/24/2004 3:34:39 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: tapatio
When did Richard Clarke become a consultant for ABC news?
2,985 posted on 03/24/2004 3:36:17 PM PST by tapatio (Democrats adrenaline can fly into nut control.Beware!)
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To: rwfromkansas
Good move! Looking forward to more about this woman!
2,986 posted on 03/24/2004 3:36:58 PM PST by ladyinred (democrats have blood on their hands!)
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To: StriperSniper
Which begs the question, why didn't any other reporters break this story today, hmmmmm?!
2,987 posted on 03/24/2004 3:37:55 PM PST by GOPrincess (Jim Angle...My Hero!!)
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To: tapatio
Condi being interviewed by Tom Brokaw on NBC.
2,988 posted on 03/24/2004 3:38:46 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Mo1
Thanks for the email addy Mo. I called this afternoon because I was so angry! It took many tries to get through since all circuits were busy. I hope they were busy because of outraged American's like me!!!!
2,989 posted on 03/24/2004 3:38:51 PM PST by ladyinred (democrats have blood on their hands!)
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To: texasbluebell
see #2979
2,990 posted on 03/24/2004 3:40:09 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: faithincowboys
Now the business of this forum should be getting in contact with the Commission with info about the Gore airline Commission and the Clinton Sudangate and make it clear to them that if they don't go into it, their final report will have no credibility

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Have you phoned the commission yet? Why wait for someone else to do it. You have a lot of good ideas.
2,992 posted on 03/24/2004 3:40:27 PM PST by maica (World Peace starts with W)
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To: GOPrincess
Well, to be fair, it was Jim that dug it up, and they only found out about the restriction being lifted afterward. Now the reason I found it significant is to see who remembers and admits to it. There was an 'Andrea' heard refered to on the tape, lets see if any come forward.
2,993 posted on 03/24/2004 3:42:16 PM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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To: arasina
Cute!! Wish I could have done it!!
2,994 posted on 03/24/2004 3:43:04 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: liz44040
I stumbled on to the interview only because I was interested in seeing how the lamestream network news was spinning these hearings.
2,995 posted on 03/24/2004 3:43:32 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: GOPrincess
I think they have been scared into reporting it since it is slowly making its way to the mainstream press.

CNN:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104683/posts?page=18

AP:
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGATE5WZ7SD.html
2,996 posted on 03/24/2004 3:43:40 PM PST by Republican Red ("I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it,")
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To: piasa
Wow: William Pitt is not only Truthout.org, he was at the Kerry prep session in Franken's apartment; calls himself an author and journalist.

However, Sept 10, 2001 was the Monday after Labor Day, so a lot of things probably started on that day.
2,997 posted on 03/24/2004 3:44:21 PM PST by maica (World Peace starts with W)
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To: maica
True...
2,999 posted on 03/24/2004 3:45:42 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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