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Kansas City Kerry (Did he conceal knowledge of conspiracy to commit murder?)
The American Spectator ^ | March 24, 2004 | Paul Beston

Posted on 03/23/2004 11:10:18 PM PST by quidnunc

Over the past week, the New York Sun and the Kansas City Star have been reporting another unsavory story about John Kerry's antiwar past. Witnesses and FBI meeting minutes conclusively place Kerry at an event he has always denied attending: The November 1971 meeting of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in Kansas City, in which a plan to assassinate pro-war senators was discussed. How seriously the plan was debated is in dispute; some veterans say it was nothing more than "guys ticked off and talking big at midnight," while others remember a bitter confrontation over the idea. All agree, however, that Kerry was not involved in the discussions and would never have approved of such a plan.

Nevertheless, the Kerry campaign is eager to distance itself from one of VVAW's most notorious episodes. Now that the evidence of his attendance is overwhelming, the campaign is trying to chalk up its earlier denials to faulty memory. Late last week Kerry spokesman David Wade conceded that Kerry had been there, but clung to the contention that the senator simply didn't remember the meeting. Wade's description of the Kansas City meeting as a "historical footnote" was too clever by half — if the meeting and Kerry's attendance really were footnotes, the campaign would never have cared about the story in the first place.

On Monday, the Sun reported on a former VVAW member who claims Kerry operatives urged him to change his story about Kerry's presence in Kansas City. John Musgrave, a Marine who earned three Purple Hearts in Vietnam, claims that John Hurley, head of Veterans for Kerry, asked him to call back the Star reporter he had spoken with and "tell him you were wrong." Hurley insists he only asked Musgrave "to be very sure of his recollection." Apparently this simple instruction required two phone calls to impart.

The Kansas City story has emerged at the same time that the FBI has revealed it conducted surveillance on Kerry during 1971 and 1972, when he was rising to fame as an antiwar spokesman. The FBI monitored the Kansas City meeting as well, though it's not clear if it picked up the chatter about assassination plots. When informed of the FBI story recently, Kerry unleashed his practiced moral indignation, harumphing about civil liberties and the sad abuses of power of the Hoover-era FBI: "I'm surprised by [the] extent of it. I'm offended by the intrusiveness of it. And I'm disturbed that it was all conducted absent of some showing of any legitimate probable cause [italics mine]. It's an offense to the Constitution. It's out of order." Then the Kerry campaign trotted out more of its defiant, desperate macho, claiming that the FBI revelation was "a badge of honor."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1971; 2004; badgeofhonor; darkplot; fbi; kerry; tas; vvaw
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Another question that comes to mind is whether Kerry felt any obligation to report the plot to authorities. Under certain conditions, knowing about such a plan — even a plan that was probably half-baked at best — and not reporting it could be a crime in itself. Gerald Nicosia, the author of Home to War, a largely positive treatment of the VVAW, absolves Kerry of any responsibility: "I think if the thing ever got off the ground, Kerry would do something to stop it." Still, it would be worthwhile for someone to ask Kerry directly, if only because Kerry would provide at least two answers to choose from.

1 posted on 03/23/2004 11:10:18 PM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
This is gonna bite kerry in-the-ass, quid.

Why do I smell klintoon?.............FRegards, pal
2 posted on 03/23/2004 11:17:43 PM PST by gonzo (harpseal has died. He is with Jesus now. I'll miss him.....)
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To: quidnunc
I think Kerry would have been both for and against the plot.
3 posted on 03/23/2004 11:18:56 PM PST by fhayek
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To: quidnunc
Johnny, we hardly knew ye.

(Don't worry, Hellary is ready to rescue the 'rats.)

4 posted on 03/23/2004 11:21:19 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: quidnunc
It continues to grow. When will someone confront Kerry with the "A" word?
5 posted on 03/23/2004 11:22:42 PM PST by doug from upland (Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)
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To: quidnunc
John Kerry and the VVAW clearly illustrate the problems that can arise with a drafted military. While the vast majority of draftees are very honorable men, you'll always get a certain percentage of dirt bags. There's no way around it when you pick names out of a hat.
6 posted on 03/23/2004 11:23:03 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: quidnunc
This will get picked up by Ted Koppel and Charlie Rose anytime, now...
7 posted on 03/23/2004 11:27:04 PM PST by Deb (Democrats HATE America...there's no other explanation.)
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To: quidnunc
When informed of the FBI story recently, Kerry unleashed his practiced moral indignation, harumphing about civil liberties and the sad abuses of power of the Hoover-era FBI: "I'm surprised by extent of it. I'm offended by the intrusiveness of it. And I'm disturbed that it was all conducted absent of some showing of any legitimate probable cause. It's an offense to the Constitution. It's out of order."

Good lord, he is an insufferable nancyboy.

He reminds me of Stinky from the old Abbott and Costello show.

8 posted on 03/23/2004 11:31:00 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: fhayek
No. He knew nothing about it but resigned from the VVAW because of the plot.
9 posted on 03/23/2004 11:33:01 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Proud member of the right wing extremist Neanderthals.)
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To: Deb
My local PBS station doesn't even show Charlie Rose...I've never seen it.

10 posted on 03/23/2004 11:35:52 PM PST by Fledermaus (Ðíé F£éðérmáú§ ^;;^ says, "John Kerry is an admitted War Criminal and should thus be in jail"!)
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To: quidnunc; prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; dixiechick2000; Tamsey; ...
Then the Kerry campaign trotted out more of its defiant, desperate macho, claiming that the FBI revelation was "a badge of honor."

OK .. let me see if I have this right ..

Having an FBI file on you regarding an assassination plot against U.S. Senator is a a badge of honor???

11 posted on 03/23/2004 11:41:08 PM PST by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: Mo1
Depends on the senator.
12 posted on 03/23/2004 11:43:36 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: quidnunc
Another aspect to this is they were discussing a plot to kill Senators in an attempt to terrorize and subvert normal government operations. It seems to me there is plenty of evidence for a trial for Conspiracy and Treason.
13 posted on 03/23/2004 11:48:12 PM PST by avant_garde
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To: dead
Good lord, he is an insufferable nancyboy.

This is an insult to nancyboys everywhere.
14 posted on 03/23/2004 11:48:14 PM PST by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: gonzo
Kerry's latest statement has a familiar ring:

"I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I did not have assassination relations with that group, the VVAW," he said.

Mr Kerry's face was red and his voice was shaking as he spoke to the assembled media at the Idaho Ski Lodge.

With a raised clenched fist, Mr Kerry went on: "I never told anyone to lie, not a single time, never. These allegations are false and I need to go back to campaigning for the American people."

15 posted on 03/23/2004 11:49:22 PM PST by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
The only problem now is, this story is still an underground and only in small circles. no "impartial" media will touch it, not even Drudge.
16 posted on 03/24/2004 12:05:12 AM PST by avant_garde
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To: quidnunc
Now I heard Kerry served in Vietnam but all this Kerry anti-war stuff is news to me. I'd have to see some pics before I'd believe this.

I means, doesn't he have some metals that were awarded to him on the White House lawn about this time?
17 posted on 03/24/2004 12:13:51 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
Kerry being so proud to serve the 4 months with 3 purple hearts, and no time in the hospital, he probably just wants to be President so he can search for them on the lawn without being arrested.
18 posted on 03/24/2004 12:19:00 AM PST by avant_garde
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To: avant_garde
Kerry being so proud to serve the 4 months with 3 purple hearts, and no time in the hospital...

You are kidding right? He only served 4 months, got three purple hearts and spent no time in the hospital? Do you have a source on this? Seriously, do you have a link to detail on service time, purple heart qualifying injuries?

19 posted on 03/24/2004 12:22:36 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: BJungNan
Read this thread:

"http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1071981/posts"

20 posted on 03/24/2004 12:28:15 AM PST by avant_garde
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