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Schrader 'Disturbed' by Gibson's Crucifixion Film (Last Temptation Screenwriter Pointing Fingers)
Reuters ^ | Tue, Mar 23, 2004 | Laith Abou-Ragheb

Posted on 03/23/2004 6:58:35 AM PST by presidio9

LONDON (Reuters) - The Hollywood screenwriter behind the last controversial film about Christ says Mel Gibson (news)'s new film on the crucifixion is violent and disturbing.

"It's a well-made movie but it's very violent and infused with a great sense of self-flagellation,", screenwriter for "The Last Temptation of Christ," told Reuters.

Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ," to be released with an adults-only certificate in Britain Friday, has been heavily criticized for its bloody portrayal of Christ's final hours.

A 56-year-old woman died of a heart attack in Wichita, Kan., last month while watching the film's climactic crucifixion scene.

Some Jewish groups even branded the film anti-Semitic, arguing that it revives old accusations that Jews bear collective responsibility for killing the Son of God.

Schrader's "Last Temptation," released in 1988 and directed by Martin Scorsese, was attacked by Christian groups for a brief scene in which Jesus is seen having sex with Mary Magdalene.

But the screenwriter, who penned such cinematic classics as "Taxi Driver" and "Raging Bull," distanced his film from Gibson's.

"They are two totally different movies," he said after giving a talk in London about his acclaimed career.

"My film was essentially a humanist story about the struggle to find God in which Christ is used as a metaphor," said Schrader, who was raised in a strict Calvinist household and studied theology.

"But screenings of Gibson's film have been more like evangelical meetings. The audience comes into the film with such a powerful belief system that they think they have a religious experience. It's quite an interesting and disturbing phenomenon," he said.

Gibson's film has been a huge success in the United States. According to studio estimates, it has earned more than $250 million since its Feb. 25 U.S. opening.

Shrader said the film would never have been made without the backing of a big star like Gibson.

"This is not the sort of film Hollywood likes," he said. "But Gibson was uniquely positioned to make it and he successfully tapped into a ready-made audience made up of conservative religious groups."

Gibson, who reportedly spent $25 million of his own money on the film, is a follower of a small traditionalist Catholic church that denies the legitimacy of Vatican decrees made since the mid-1960s.


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To: Northern Yankee
I was reading The War on Mel Gibson by Gary North, and it totally makes sense to me when he says:

The media's war on The Passion of the Christ has been systematic and increasingly frantic. It is part of the overall culture war that is being waged by the Left on America specifically and the West generally. The chief theoretician of this war was the Italian Communist, Antonio Gramsci, who died in 1937. Gramsci understood eighty years ago: Christianity is the enemy of Communist revolution. He wrote in 1921:

What remains to be done? Nothing other than to destroy the present form of civilization. In this field, 'to destroy' does not mean the same as in the economic field. It does not mean to deprive humanity of the material products that it needs to subsist and develop. It means to destroy spiritual hierarchies, prejudices, idols and ossified traditions.

I think this is exactly what's going on with this movie. It goes against the socialist mentality of the liberals, hence their need to destroy it.

101 posted on 03/28/2004 3:51:51 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul (Kerry's 3 Purple Hearts are: 2 for minor arm and thigh injury and 1 for killing a semi-dead VietCong)
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To: Alamo-Girl
"I took the imagery to mean that he was expecting the sacrifice was becoming too much for Jesus to bear and that He would stop it at any moment."

Yes; that is why the scene of the scourging was so powerful for me. Christ kept struggling back to his feet; not to escape the punishment, but to purposefully take it. To prove that we were worth it, it was not too much, to defeat Satan; and to do so with dignity . . .
102 posted on 03/28/2004 4:05:38 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Exactly right.

Am reading it as well, and I found the thinking behind Inherit The Wind sound.

The liberal philosophy has been to undermind the Christian message.

Notice how Ben-Hur (The Tale Of The Christ) is never referred to by that name, and that the chariot race is what gets the attraction.

That movie continues to be one of my favorites. The fact that Judah Ben Hur releases his anger while witnessing the death of Christ is so heart rendering.

103 posted on 03/28/2004 6:01:27 PM PST by Northern Yankee ( "Behold Mother... I make all things new." - Jesus of Nazareth)
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To: presidio9
I saw 'The Passion' for the first time tonight. I have never, NEVER been so moved by a film in my life. It really renewed my faith and reminded me that no matter what we go through in life, no matter how much suffering we go through or see, that God gave His son to us so that we may live through Him. And through Christ's love, we will know God.
104 posted on 03/28/2004 6:05:03 PM PST by rintense (Now I know why liberals hate guns... they keep shooting themselves in the foot!)
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren
The fear Christians because they fear the Truth.
105 posted on 03/28/2004 6:06:14 PM PST by rintense (Now I know why liberals hate guns... they keep shooting themselves in the foot!)
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To: presidio9; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ..
"The audience comes into the film with such a powerful belief system that they think they have a religious experience. It's quite an interesting and disturbing phenomenon,..."
106 posted on 03/28/2004 6:06:41 PM PST by narses (If you want OFF or ON my Catholic Ping list, please email me. +)
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To: betty boop
A very good point! Thank you so much for the additional metaphor.
107 posted on 03/28/2004 7:45:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: AMDG&BVMH
Yes; that is why the scene of the scourging was so powerful for me. Christ kept struggling back to his feet; not to escape the punishment, but to purposefully take it. To prove that we were worth it, it was not too much, to defeat Satan; and to do so with dignity . . .

Excellent point! As I recall His hands were shaking from the agony and He lifts Himself up voluntarily for more torture and the Romans look at one another in amazement.

108 posted on 03/28/2004 7:48:17 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: presidio9
Hard to imagine anything would disturb Paul Schrader given his writing credits.
109 posted on 03/28/2004 7:49:51 PM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Alamo-Girl
"and the Romans look at one another in amazement."

Yes, I noticed that too! There were many things going on during the scourging scene, not just whips flailing . . .
110 posted on 03/29/2004 6:19:42 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: rintense
I got a call from my cousin this weekend. She had just broken up with her boyfriend and was very depressed. I took her to see this movie, and later that evening she was smiling and laughing again. If you understand the message of the film and the Gospel behind it, there is no pain in the world (physical or emotional) that is too mcu to bear.
111 posted on 03/29/2004 6:26:24 AM PST by presidio9 (protectionism is a false god)
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To: nonomous
John got a lot of screen time, but limited development. John just stood around and looked pensive. Based on the letters he later wrote, the experience was something that brought him to a crisis of faith. None of that carried through in the movie.

John was the youngest Apostle by a large margin. Mel included him specifically for his role as companion to the Blessed Mother, but it is not a reach to think that he would have remained deferrential to his elders.

112 posted on 03/29/2004 6:29:32 AM PST by presidio9 (protectionism is a false god)
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To: betty boop
Didn't the crow get both eyes? I really do have to see this film again

No, the Roman soldiers chase it off with a spear.

113 posted on 03/29/2004 6:35:26 AM PST by presidio9 (protectionism is a false god)
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To: Northern Yankee
"But screenings of Gibson's film have been more like evangelical meetings. The audience comes into the film with such a powerful belief system that they think they have a religious experience. It's quite an interesting and disturbing phenomenon," he said.

This writer is disturbed that people are watching this movie and having a religious experience. I hope he's even more disturbed as attendance increases during the days leading up to Easter.

114 posted on 03/29/2004 7:49:03 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: AMDG&BVMH
I'm so glad you noticed that too!!!

BTW, my daughter and son-in-law who both speak Latin observed something which escaped me because I do not. When Pilate is interrogating Jesus, he first asks Him a question in Aramaic (the common language) but Jesus responds in Latin and then Pilate looks impressed and continues to speak in Latin.

115 posted on 03/29/2004 8:36:24 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
"Jesus responds in Latin "

I caught that -- but I had a head's up from the book 100 Questions about the Passion.

There are a lot of subtle things like that going on in the movie, which demonstrate who Christ was.

That's why the reviews who claim excessive, not to say pornographic, violence, are so WRONG. They miss the mark totally. They should open their eyes and see what is REALLY happening. ;)

116 posted on 03/29/2004 2:57:38 PM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: betty boop
Do you remember that one, perfect teardrop that fell out of heaven and, when it struck the earth, the sky darkened, the winds shrilled, the earth quaked and rocked -- the Veil of the Temple was rent in twain? And then we see the high priest Caiphas, rending his garments, presumably in horror, grief, and fear? There's a kind of parallel here to satan's hellish howl....

I remember! The whole thing was really well done. Satan is angry because the crucifixion marks a major reduction in Satan's authority and abilities.

And God is upset because the very people he sent his son too have rejected him, and in a very real way, they have rejected the father as well as the son.

The movie does a great job visualizing both of these metaphysical truths.

The more I think about 'The Passion,' the more I'm convinced I need to see it again!

Thanks so much for your comments betty!

117 posted on 03/29/2004 5:37:32 PM PST by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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To: unspun; Alamo-Girl; marron; logos; xzins; Ronzo; Tribune7; restornu
Dear Brother Arlen, you asked me to write about my impressions of The Passion of the Christ. I hope you don’t want me to write any kind of comprehensive review of this sublime work of art, for I’m just not capable of writing anything like that at this point. The film continues to work in me; I feel I need to see it again, many times.

This film is a like a dazzling, perfect, multifaceted diamond: I am still looking, and marveling at the many facets of God’s Truth it presents -- all of which, in all probability, I haven’t even seen yet.

But I can give you some early impressions. (I’ve jotted down a few in earlier posts already, and don’t want to repeat those here.)

There is no way this film is in any way anti-Semitic. What this film plainly is, on one level, is anti-politician. The key “politicians” in the piece are Caiphas and Pontius Pilate. Neither comes off looking particularly well – or good -- in the end.

The amazing thing this film captures is the absolute determination of Jesus to die for us. Satan was telling Him in Gethsemane that no man could do what Jesus had in mind to do: To offer Himself as the redeeming sacrifice for human sin, thereby to restore man to God’s Grace and win for him eternal life. Satan clearly suggested that no man could do that, was strong enough to do that....

Fast forward from there. Consider: Jesus was already half-dead by the time of the crowning with thorns, from hypovolemic shock, hypotension, tachychardia – he had been bled out by at least half at the scourging. Subsequently saddled with a Roman Cross on the Via Dolorosa, at that point, he likely had to command all His strength just to stand up, to bear Himself up -- never mind bear the weight of the Cross laid on Him. And yet He dragged Himself all the way to Calvary -- by the help and grace of Simon still bearing the Cross up to the bitter end -- just so He could be crucified for us.

My thoughts are active, but language fails me here…. Were I to try to express the inexpressible, however, it might (very crudely) go like this: Here we have a case of a man, Jesus of Nazareth who, with his whole heart and soul and mind and strength, deliberately sacrificed himself to his Father, Who is God; and his Father sacrificed God in and for Jesus the Christ – and all this together, for one purpose: the salvation of mankind. (Talk about the intersection of the human and the divine, of Time and Timelessness, of immanence and transcendence, of matter and Spirit….)

It is simply stunning to realize what happened there, on Golgotha, over two thousand years ago. Truly, it is the most important event, the most important story, ever to occur or be told in all of human history.

And Mel Gibson has retold this absolutely unique and glorious story with genius and profound spiritual sensitivity and insight. His The Passion of the Christ is a sublime treasure of the human spirit that beckons to each and every one of us -- heart, mind, and spirit. Praise God that so many have been drawn to the film. May it find widespread resonance in human hearts and souls, and help us to “turn our life around,” to the glory of Christ Jesus.

Amen!

118 posted on 03/29/2004 6:53:02 PM PST by betty boop (The purpose of marriage is to civilize men, protect women, and raise children. -- William Bennett)
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To: AMDG&BVMH
There are a lot of subtle things like that going on in the movie, which demonstrate who Christ was. That's why the reviews who claim excessive, not to say pornographic, violence, are so WRONG. They miss the mark totally. They should open their eyes and see what is REALLY happening.

So very true. I suspect many of the ones who are prejudiced against the movie do not have "ears to hear" - and thus would not "get it" even if they saw it every day for a month.

119 posted on 03/29/2004 9:32:38 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
It is simply stunning to realize what happened there, on Golgotha, over two thousand years ago. Truly, it is the most important event, the most important story, ever to occur or be told in all of human history.

So very, very true! I share your awe and inability to find the right words to describe the deep impressions we share upon viewing this film.

Thank you for the beautiful review! We've seen it twice already, got the book and the sound track and hope to see it again very soon.

Each picture in the book is a masterpiece I would gladly frame and hang on the wall. And the sound track is mesmerizing; I frankly didn't notice the music on the first viewing but after the second viewing, it was a "must have" for meditations.

120 posted on 03/29/2004 9:42:55 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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