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Some Leave Girl Scouts for Christian Group
Associated Press ^ | 22 MArch 2004 | ANGELA K. BROWN,

Posted on 03/22/2004 10:54:23 AM PST by SkyPilot

Some Unhappy With Girl Scouts Form Group

Mon Mar 22, 2004

By ANGELA K. BROWN, Associated Press Writer

CRAWFORD, Texas - Donna Coody disbanded her 7-year-old daughter's Brownie troop and took her 9-year-old daughter out of another Girl Scout troop because she was upset over the organization's endorsement of two Planned Parenthood (news - web sites) sex education seminars.

But Coody didn't want her daughters and their friends to miss out on camping trips, educational activities and service projects. So she decided in March to start a troop affiliated with the Christian-based American Heritage Girls.

"I felt like the Girl Scouts' morals were definitely lacking, and the girls needed another choice," Coody said.

American Heritage Girls was founded in 1995 by a Cincinnati-area woman and her friends who were unhappy that the Girl Scouts accepted lesbians as troop leaders, banned prayer at meetings and allowed girls to substitute the word "God" in the oath.

What started with 100 girls in Ohio has turned into a nonprofit group with 2,800 members in 22 states — with a 40 percent enrollment boost since the fall, founder Patti Garibay said.

Troops must be chartered by a church or private school with the same basic religious beliefs as American Heritage Girls. Leaders must sign a statement of faith, but girls don't have to be religious to join. The organization receives no government money and operates by donations, fund raising, membership dues and merchandise sales.

The girls do activities or service projects to earn badges. Each meeting starts with girls praying, pledging allegiance to the American and organization's flags, then saying the oath while holding up four fingers: symbolizing God, family, community and country.

"It's people who really want a wholesome program for their daughters," Garibay said. "They're not religious fanatics."

Officials with the New York-based Girl Scouts say their numbers are up, too. About 2.9 million girls nationwide are in Girl Scouts of the USA, which was founded in 1912 and chartered by Congress in 1950.

The organization has not been deluged with complaints or had a mass exodus, spokeswoman Ellen Christie said. But if a parent takes a child out of Girl Scouts, the organization's headquarters may not find about it or know why, she said.

"We are not a Judeo-Christian or religious organization at all. We never have been," Christie said. "We've always been a spiritually based movement."

In 1993, in an effort to be more inclusive to girls of all faiths, the Girl Scouts decided to allow youngsters to say "Allah" or another word instead of God in the oath: "On my honor, I will try to serve God and my country, to help people at all times and to live by the Girl Scout law."

The Girl Scouts also does not have "a discrimination policy," meaning the organization is open to all, including gay Scout leaders and girls.

However, the organization takes no position on sex education or abortion, Christie said.

Those polarizing topics are what led to a Girl Scout cookie boycott in the Waco area last month after some parents found out that the Bluebonnet Council of Girl Scouts, which oversees troops in Crawford and 13 other counties, endorsed two Planned Parenthood sex education programs.

Pro-Life Waco, a group that opposes abortions, aired radio ads blasting what it called the Girl Scouts' "cozy relationship" with Planned Parenthood and urged people not to buy cookies.

Coody and some other mothers in Crawford, about 20 miles west of Waco, joined the boycott. They also were upset that the Bluebonnet Council gave the executive director of Planned Parenthood of Central Texas a "woman of distinction" award last year.

The Bluebonnet Council responded by removing its logo from materials related to sex education programs sponsored by Planned Parenthood, a national organization that provides educational and health services, including abortions. Council officials said they never gave money to the organization for anything, including the workshops.

Still, some mothers said they felt better about taking their daughters out of Girl Scouts.

"The more I know about the Girl Scouts, the happier I am not to be in it," said Lisa Aguilar, who pulled her daughter from a Crawford troop last month.


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Lesbian leaders, abortion funding, religious bigotry....and they wonder why people pull their kids out.

Regarding this line:

"We are not a Judeo-Christian or religious organization at all. We never have been," Christie said. "We've always been a spiritually based movement."

Whenever I ask a Liberal what "spiritual" means, they give me some New Age mumbo jumbo that quickly spins into pantheism.

1 posted on 03/22/2004 10:54:24 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
I'm looking at this group for my daughter.
2 posted on 03/22/2004 10:57:31 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: SkyPilot
4-H is a good alternative, too, but it Is co-ed and some people may not like that.
3 posted on 03/22/2004 11:00:51 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: DannyTN
Can you give any tips on finding a group? I'm in Nashville and we don't want our 11 year old daughter involved with the (current) Girl Scouts.
4 posted on 03/22/2004 11:10:30 AM PST by Martin Tell (I will not be terrified or Kerrified.)
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To: SkyPilot
I like this very much. The response to organizations that we disagree with should be to offer an alternative. If the GSA is doing stuff that's wrong, then starting a new organization is definitely the way to go.

Bravo for these folks!
5 posted on 03/22/2004 11:17:06 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Martin Tell
Anyone know if they have a website, or are in Texas yet?

Like others here I might be interested in this for my daughters.

6 posted on 03/22/2004 11:17:42 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: Martin Tell
Anyone know if they have a website, or are in Texas yet?

Like others here I might be interested in this for my daughters.

7 posted on 03/22/2004 11:17:50 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States
I found their website:

http://www.ahgonline.org/

8 posted on 03/22/2004 11:19:47 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: No Blue States
Good find. They are in TN, but unfortunately for our family, not in Nashville (yet).
9 posted on 03/22/2004 11:24:34 AM PST by Martin Tell (I will not be terrified or Kerrified.)
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To: SkyPilot
Awana

Awana is a nondenominational ministry that assists churches in reaching children and teenagers with the gospel of Jesus Christ and training them to serve Him. We supply programs, materials and training for more than 13,000 churches in over 110 countries. Our message to churches is simple: We're here to serve you with a ministry that is all about fun with a purpose — to win and grow kids for Christ!


10 posted on 03/22/2004 11:26:12 AM PST by TankerKC (Clogged Arteries and Still Smilin'!)
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Thanks--my wife volunteers for Awana and my 2 youngest kids participate. It is a great program.
11 posted on 03/22/2004 11:41:12 AM PST by SkyPilot
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I find it hard to believe they've "always" been a "spirtual" movement, not Judeo-Christian. Wasn't this like an immediate response to the development of Boy Scouts?

And how is it that the male-based scouts remains so morally strong, while the female-based watered down thru the years? Isn't it ironic that the sex often accused of tendencies to debauchery and licentiousness managed to keep things together, while the "fairer sex" let things slide and become repugnant?

I've known about this stuff for sometime, thanks to American Family Association. They print stories about these things that the general public won't hear for another 10 years, but whatever AFA says "comes out" eventually in the mainstream. It's not shocking to me to see stories about GSA and lesbians, abortions and sex ed.
12 posted on 03/22/2004 11:46:08 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common Sense is an Uncommon Virtue)
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"And how is it that the male-based scouts remains so morally strong, while the female-based watered down thru the years? Isn't it ironic that the sex often accused of tendencies to debauchery and licentiousness managed to keep things together, while the "fairer sex" let things slide and become repugnant? "

Feminism. GSA got feminized a few decades back and its been downhill since.

13 posted on 03/22/2004 11:51:50 AM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com - Disturb, manipulate, demonstrate for the right thing)
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To: Martin Tell
There's not one in Nashville. I'm in Nashville, so we will probably have to start our own chapter. The American Heritage website shows the locations now. It looks like there is one in Knoxville and one in Memphis.

Want to start the first one in Nashville? We've got a 7 year old girl.
14 posted on 03/22/2004 12:51:48 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: SkyPilot
There's another good organization called Keepers of the Faith. It has both boys (Contenders for the Faith) and girls (Keepers At Home) versions. Good stuff...
15 posted on 03/22/2004 1:10:09 PM PST by StarCMC (God bless the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God bless them all!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
And how is it that the male-based scouts remains so morally strong, while the female-based watered down thru the years? Isn't it ironic that the sex often accused of tendencies to debauchery and licentiousness managed to keep things together, while the "fairer sex" let things slide and become repugnant?

That's because we men know what we would be like if we gave in to our primal urges. We would destroy the world, and women and children would become chattal again. Thus, we live our lives controlling that dark inner beast. At least most of us do. In the words of Conan the Barbarian:

"What is best thing in the world?"

"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women."

I don't think we want to live in a world like that again.

16 posted on 03/22/2004 3:34:08 PM PST by Clock King
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To: SkyPilot
My daughter is in 4-H as well as AWANA. I'm sure the Girl Scout troops at her school are fine but I hate paying dues into a spirtually vapid institution such as the Girl Scouts. For those looking into activities, check out AWANA. It's a wonderful program and 4-H is something very special!
17 posted on 03/22/2004 3:39:19 PM PST by Lucky2 (I'm a Born Again Christian, Republican, Conservative and will proudly vote for George W. Bush!)
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To: Martin Tell
Check out their website and/or contact them. I want a button that I can wear that says I support them. I may make a donation.

American Heritage Girls
18 posted on 03/22/2004 4:21:13 PM PST by coffeebreak
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To: SkyPilot
The best way to send a message to the Girl Scouts is for families to send their daughters somewhere else. When they start losing donations and members, they'll get the message.
19 posted on 03/22/2004 4:28:53 PM PST by coffeebreak
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To: SkyPilot
One interesting difference between the Boy Scout and Girl Scout mottoes:

Boy Scout:

On my honor, I will do my best 
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; 
To help other people at all times; 
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. 

Girl Scout:
On my honor, I will try:
To serve God and my country,
To help people at all times,
And to live by the Girl Scout Law.
As Yoda would say: "Do! Or do not. There is no 'Try'"
20 posted on 03/22/2004 5:39:02 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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