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DNA tests on corpse will reveal if it is Bin Laden's deputy
The Sunday Times (UK) ^ | 3/21/04 | Christina Lamb

Posted on 03/20/2004 7:52:15 PM PST by saquin

IN this land of razor-backed mountains where every man carries a gun, Pakistani troops yesterday launched house-to-house searches after days of fierce fighting to establish once and for all whether Osama Bin Laden’s deputy was holed up inside one of the mud-walled forts.

Flying in a Soviet MI-17 helicopter over southern Waziristan, in Pakistan’s borderlands with Afghanistan, it was easy to understand why Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian-born brains behind Al-Qaeda and one of the world’s most wanted men, might have chosen it as a hiding place.

Forts with 3ft thick walls, inside which could be friend or foe, were dotted around steep gorges. Through them run riverbeds that are dry in winter and in summer cause flash floods. Grey dust coats everything, getting into mouths and eyes.

“It’s the most rugged and inhospitable stretch of the border in the whole of the tribal areas,” said Brigadier Ali Khan. He is commander of a brigade of reinforcements sent to the area at the height of five days of battles between Pakistani forces and Al-Qaeda militants which are thought to have killed at least 70 people on both sides.

A Motorola wireless set found on a Chechen militant killed in the first day’s fighting on Tuesday enabled Pakistani forces to discover the frequency used by the fighters, some 400 of whom were thought to be still trapped yesterday.

Hopes that al-Zawahiri was among them were raised when they picked up a message — in Chechen — that said: “The wounded gentleman would need four men to carry him and 11 or 12 to protect him.”

“I would not rule out any possibility, but this message combined with the way they are still showing such fierce resistance makes me believe they must be protecting someone important,” said General Safdar Hussain, the Peshawar corps commander. He had moved his 5,000-man brigade on Thursday to join Frontier Corps and South Waziristan scouts taken by surprise by the resistance they faced.

Safdar said he believed the “gentleman” was hurt while trying to escape in one of three armoured vehicles that had attempted to break through a Pakistani cordon on Tuesday.

Two of the cars were shot at and crashed, but a third escaped in a cloud of dust. Safdar admitted, however, that the injured person might also be Thuraya, an Uzbek leader.

A senior American official involved in the hunt for Bin Laden said that al-Zawahiri may already be dead. According to his version of events, the Egyptian was in the escaping car and was shot by Taskforce 121, the shadowy rapid reaction force comprising special forces and CIA agents that had helped to capture Saddam Hussein last December.

The body, he said, had been retrieved from the wreckage and was undergoing DNA tests to confirm whether it was that of al-Zawahiri. In deference to the US forces’ hosts, any announcement was being delayed to make it look as if it were a Pakistani-run operation, as well as to have time to use any information garnered to capture other fighters.

Members of Taskforce 121 — whose existence is so secret that their area Camp Vance in the main US base of Bagram is a no-go area to all other US military — were moved to the firebase of Shkin last week, on the Afghan border with Pakistan just a few miles from Wana. Their numbers were boosted by bringing some members back from Iraq.

The capture or killing of al-Zawahiri would be an enormous breakthrough in the war on terrorism in a week when the Madrid bombings have left many feeling that it is a losing battle. While Bin Laden is the public face of Al-Qaeda, many consider that the Egyptian surgeon is the organisation’s real mastermind.

Indicted for his alleged role in the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, but most notorious for his involvement in planning the September 11 attacks, he has a $25m bounty on his head.

While Pakistani intelligence has been briefing journalists all week that its forces had al-Zawahiri surrounded, both Safdar and General Shaukat Sultan, spokesman for the Pakistani military, admitted that there had been no actual physical sighting of him. It was more a presumption as he had been known to be in the area.

However intelligence officials said they believed the trapped fighters included top Al-Qaeda bodyguards who work only for Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri.

Some 100 people have been taken prisoner. Yesterday a truckload of 40 of them were shown off, blindfolded with their hands tied behind their backs. Around half of them were white-bearded old men.

Pakistan said its helicopters had fired on a truck trying to break through the cordon at high speed last night.

Most of the foreign fighters left in the area are believed to be Chechens and Uzbeks, considered by American forces to be the fiercest fighters who will continue until death. Asked about when the operation would be ended, Sultan replied: “The logical conclusion is mission accomplishment, which means the target is destroyed.”

Waziristan is one of seven tribal areas created by the British in the late 19th century as a buffer zone between British India and Afghanistan. The Waziris have always been renowned for their fierceness and were so hostile to outsiders that in the 1930s there were more British troops stationed there than in the rest of the Raj. Part of the Waziris’ Pashtun code of honour is to give shelter to those who ask, even if they have committed a crime — a quality exploited by Al-Qaeda.

Yesterday as Cobra helicopter gunships circled, 2,500 Pakistani soldiers were involved in a sweep-up operation while another 2,500 guarded escape routes.

Inside the forts so far searched, Safdar’s men found trenches, watchtowers and complexes of buildings, even though the area is just across a jagged mountain from the army headquarters in Wana.

Until recently Pakistani forces have hardly dared to enter the area. Locals are resentful of the incursions, which started last October but on nothing like the scale of last week’s operation.

Mohammad Azam Khan, who became political agent six months ago, persuaded tribal elders and religious leaders to betray the fighters. “I tried to convince them that when you give someone shelter, he should obey your laws rather than you being under his thumb,” he said.

Capturing al-Zawahiri would be a coup for George W Bush, who has increased troop levels in Afghanistan by 2,000 to 13,000.

It would also be a triumph for Pakistan’s president, General Pervez Musharraf, and help to cleanse the image of a country besmirched by its role in the sale of nuclear secrets to pariah states.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; alzawahiri; pakistan; southasia; waziristan; zawahiri
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To: Libertarianize the GOP; Angelus Errare
ping!
41 posted on 03/20/2004 9:08:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: the Real fifi
Why do they want two dead bodies???

Even if 2 dead bodies are HVT in AQ, they could extract DNA before sending them back to the jihadis.
42 posted on 03/20/2004 9:12:38 PM PST by dawn53
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To: saquin
Pak Operation To Nab Top Al-Qaeda Leaders On; 2 killed Over 400 Trapped

"..Some 300 to 400 foreign and local terrorists are present at about seven targets in the agency, he said, adding that two abortive attempts were made by the terrorists to run away in vehicles on Friday. Two terrorists including one foreigner were killed, he said. Four terrorists, one of them foreigner, have been apprehended while nine returned to their hideouts in the area. He said the DNA test of killed terrorists would be taken to ascertain their identification..."

43 posted on 03/20/2004 9:13:03 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: the Real fifi
Seems like a good trade.
44 posted on 03/20/2004 9:13:04 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: dawn53
Of course we could..Do they know that? Is it leave no brother behind? I think I'm not the person to fathom the murky motives of weirdbeards.
45 posted on 03/20/2004 9:16:15 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: oceanview
Perhaps the announcement are being delayed until after John Qairi's brainstorming retreat, to deny him the time needed to formulate a response with his buds.
46 posted on 03/20/2004 9:23:10 PM PST by js1138
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To: California74
Why wouldn't they have hopes that this man might be Bin Laden from this transmission?

Because they knew that Elvis Bin Laden has been dead over two years.

I thought that Bin Laden and #2 were always/usually together.

Al-Zawahiri didn't see much reason staying with the dead guy.

47 posted on 03/20/2004 9:29:34 PM PST by ASA Vet ("Anyone who signed up after 11/28/97 is a newbie")
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To: RWR8189
All your DNA are belong to us!


48 posted on 03/20/2004 9:39:37 PM PST by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: Pukin Dog
LOL, Have you seen the latest plan of action from the Bush/Cheney team?

They are starting a project next week called the "Fact Log" or "FLOG" for short, in order to address the many conflicting positions John Kerry has taken on the issues over his career and his recent voting record in the Senate.

The White House has announced they will begin to "FLOG" John Kerry on his many flip flopping positions on the economy and the War on Terror :-)

49 posted on 03/20/2004 10:26:44 PM PST by MJY1288 (Can't Blame Bush for the Negative Ad's When There's Nothing Positive To Say About John Kerry)
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To: oceanview
The leader of the Islamic movement of Uzbekistan, Tohir Yuldash and the 9/11 connection plus prophetic Operation Mountain Storm

This appears not to be a coincidence! September 7, 2002 http://www.angelfire.com/space/pearly/htmls/bush-ignored.html

"Another US official was also present ­ possibly from the intelligence services. Mr Katz, who now works at the American embassy in Eritrea , declined to talk about the meeting. But other US sources said the warning was not passed on.

A diplomatic source said : "We were hearing a lot of that kind of stuff. When people keep saying the sky's going to fall in and it doesn't, a kind of warning fatigue sets in. I actually thought it was all an attempt to rattle us in an attempt to please their funders in the Gulf, to try to get more donations for the cause."

The Afghan aide did not reveal that the warning was from Mr Muttawakil, a factor that might have led the Americans to down-grade it. "As I recall, I thought he was speaking from his own personal perspective," one source said. "It was interesting that he was from the Foreign Affairs Ministry, but he gave no indication this was a message he was carrying."

Interviewed by The Independent in Kabul, the Afghan emissary said: "I told Mr Katz they should launch a new Desert Storm ­ like the campaign to drive Iraq out of Kuwait ­ but this time they should call it Mountain Storm and they should drive the foreigners out of Afghanistan. They also had to stop the Pakistanis supporting the Taliban."

The Taliban emissary said Mr Katz replied that neither action was possible. Nor did Mr Katz pass the warning on to the State Department, according to senior US diplomatic sources.

When Mr Muttawakil's emissary returned to Kabul, the Foreign Minister told him to see UN officials. He took the warning to the Kabul offices of UNSMA, the political wing of the UN. These officials heard him out, but again did not report the secret Taliban warning to UN headquarters. A UN official familiar with the warnings said : "He appeared to be speaking in total desperation, asking for a Mountain Storm, he wanted a sort of deus ex machina to solve his country's problems. But before 9/11, there was just not much hope that Washington would become that engaged in Afghanistan."

Officials in the State Department and in UN headquarters in New York said they knew nothing about a Taliban warning. But they said they would now be looking into the matter."

50 posted on 03/20/2004 10:31:19 PM PST by endthematrix (To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
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To: saquin
Taskforce 121 is probably using John Kerry's "Bell Telephone Hour" on their prisoner right now!
51 posted on 03/20/2004 11:24:21 PM PST by Solamente
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To: Pukin Dog
Well,
Wall to wall, between Kobie, Michael, Lacy, and a car chase.
On Fox, anyway.

Otherwise,
UBL still not located...
now back to Kobie, Michael,Lacy, and John Kerry.
On every other source.
52 posted on 03/20/2004 11:31:51 PM PST by norton
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To: paul51
You can't garner much info from a corpse you are trying to ID

Er, recall what the good Brigadier sais about this operation: it began getting some results when they took a communications radio from a stiff Chechen, and began listening in on the net.

Sometimes you can learn a lot from a deader. Think equipment, documents, etc. Che Guevara had a diary on him when he got whacked in 1967. Then the diary was used to smoke out a Cuban spy in the Bolivian cabinet.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

53 posted on 03/21/2004 12:17:55 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Pukin Dog
nice aircraft photos on your home page.
54 posted on 03/21/2004 2:56:28 AM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: saquin
I'm waiting for these 3 words: "WE GOT HIM."
55 posted on 03/21/2004 4:57:21 AM PST by Tricorn
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To: Brad Cloven
When I read "major address" I saw "major @$$". Much more appropriate my way.
56 posted on 03/21/2004 4:59:58 AM PST by sarasota
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To: saquin
"Through them run riverbeds that are dry in winter and in summer cause flash floods. Grey dust coats everything, getting into mouths and eyes."

They found them in Southern California?
57 posted on 03/21/2004 5:09:33 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: Amelia
Zawahiri's son is in custody in Pakistan; his brother is confirmed in Egyptian custody awaiting a retrial. He has a couple of other siblings living in Cairo as well - sisters I believe. So they can definitely get the DNA for testing.

58 posted on 03/21/2004 5:13:41 AM PST by StillProud2BeFree
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To: Pukin Dog
I expect the DNA tests to come in the second John Kerry begins his "major address" tour.

"My fellow Americans...........((THIS IS A FOX NEWS BULLETEN, WE ARE BREAKING AWAY FROM JOHN KERRY TO BRING YOU THIS IMPORTANT NEWS. ZAHIRI HAS BEEN CONFIRMED DEAD. OUR TEAM OF CORORSPONDANTS ARE ON THERE WAY, WE WILL BE TO WALL TO WALL COVERAGE OF THIS DAY'S EVENTS))

Bwahahahahahha... well, they have not had problems to interrupt President Bush for a car chase or a minor thing re: Kobe ...That would be too wonderful. Hear the bloodhound is on his way to DC for a vote to raise taxes...

59 posted on 03/21/2004 6:03:08 AM PST by DollyCali ("Trying to keep the Freepers pulling in the same direction is like trying to herd cats." Richard Poe)
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To: The Wizard
And then there's Ijaz' version......oh, they aren't going in because there are too many women and children.

Ijaz beginning to sound a lot like slick willie.

60 posted on 03/21/2004 6:04:02 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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