Scott Camil: Clinton Ruled Members of VVAW Unpatriotic And Untrustworthy

Book Review ^ | April 1997 | Scott Camil

[Hon]

Scott Camil, who is at the center of the controversy about the Vietnam Veterans Against The War's consideration of assassinating pro-war Senators in 1971, wrote the following book review:

Our War--What We Did in Vietnam and What it Did to Us, by David Harris
Scott Camil
April 1997

[Excerpt]

I found David Harris's book, Our War -- What We Did in Vietnam and What It Did to Us, (Times Books, 1996) to be relevant, easy to read and right on the money. David's descriptive style has a unique ability to capture the moment and bring the times to life...

There is no doubt that to our nation the war is like a festering sore that has never healed, and there are plenty of examples. The war has been over for 21 years, yet President Clinton is still condemned by his political adversaries for not serving in Vietnam and for holding anti-war views. Does it bother me that our President didn't go to Vietnam? No. Our constitution is very specific about civilian control of the military. I think Clinton qualifies.

A good friend of mine in Atlanta was up for an appointment under President Clinton. He was denied the position on the grounds that when he came back from Vietnam, he was a member of VVAW (Vietnam Veterans Against the War) and therefore unpatriotic and untrustworthy. In the eyes of many, the Vietnam veteran is stereotyped as a drug abuser, a violent person, and a loser. None of these attitudes show that we have moved on...

[Hon]

Props to fellow poster, Redlipstick, for pointing this out on another thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1101293/posts?q=1&&page=251#251

I thought it warranted its own discussion.

One has to ask, what did Clinton know about the VVAW that Kerry doesn't?

[Argus]

Links not working.

[cyncooper]

Thanks for posting this as its own thread, Hon.

Excellent find, red.

I say that the "questioning of patriotism" sometimes must be done if one aspires to the presidency.

[pipecorp]

In words that Omarosa might fathom, Isn't this just the pot calling the kettle black ?

[Clodia Pulcher]

anybody got a valid link...? Interesting post idea

[T'wit]

If I'm not mistaken, this is the David Harris who was a leading Leftist "antiwar" demonstrator and was, for a time, married to folksinger and activist Joan Baez. Harris and Baez did lectures, concerts and a movie together. During their married years he went to jail on some charge related to resisting the draft. Baez was one of those who went to Hanoi during the war, which required top-level Communist permission (KGB, I think). Harris, in short, was a professional left-winger -- of the antiwar cadre whom North Vietnamese Gen. Giap later thanked for paving his conquest of free South Vietnam.

[Just mythoughts]

"The war has been over for 21 years, yet President Clinton is still condemned by his political adversaries for not serving in Vietnam and for holding anti-war views."


Strange, Clinton was condemned because he DODGED the DRAFT, despised the military and protested in Europe.

[EllaMinnow]

See if this works:

http://www.afn.org/~iguana/archives/1997_04/19970408.html

[nopardons]

That it was yet another KBG/RED DIAPER BABY " front" ?

[nopardons]

You just nailed it! :-)

[Hon]

As you know, Joan Baez, to her credit eventually changed her tune and denounced what the Vietnamese and especially the Cambodians did after the US pulled out.

For that Jane Fonda condemned her. (Some say Kerry did, too, but I've never seen a source for that.)

[edwin hubble]

"As you know, Joan Baez, to her credit eventually changed her tune and denounced what the Vietnamese and especially the Cambodians did after the US pulled out. "

Joan Baez remains a pro-union dyed-in-the-wool depression-era leftist. But with many times the character of either Kerry or Fonda.

At the time of the atrocities of Pol Pot she challenged Jane Fonda to revoke her support of that 'students and workers paradise'.

In spite of myself, I do like "Diamonds and Rust".

[malia]

bump

[T'wit]

Yes, thank you for mentioning it. I was aware of that and have long had a softer view of Baez. She ran with a bad crowd, but in the end I think she was made of sterner stuff than the supposed "antiwar" activists who were in truth so many shills for the enemy.

A little background. In World War I, the Germans engineered an "antiwar" movement in Russia that helped knock that country out of the war and did serious damage to the fledgling Soviet Union. The Soviet leaders never forgot, and thereafter used the same trick against their foes in later conflicts -- most successfully in Vietnam. The Soviets had much to do with funding and directing the "antiwar" rabble running loose in this country. Of course we can't give them all the credit -- the Left was so numerous, malevolent and treasonous already that they were extremely destructive independently of the Soviet operations. (This history from memory, but I think it is generally accurate.)

[Hon]

"A little background. In World War I, the Germans engineered an "antiwar" movement in Russia that helped knock that country out of the war and did serious damage to the fledgling Soviet Union."

Absolutely correct. In fact, they sent Russia Lenin. His main talking point--end the war NOW!

And you're right to point out that the Commies never forgot that. They've played the same game over and over again--with great success.

[Susannah]

The New York Post published the following article when the peaceniks started to protest the Iraq War:

ANTI-WAR OR ANTI-U.S.?
By AMIR TAHERI

The rebirth of the peace movement. This is how sections of the Western media describe the marches that attracted 30 million people in some 600 cities, in 25 countries, across the globe in recent weeks.

Last week, a group of "peaceniks" gathered in London to discuss ways of nursing the "reborn" child into adulthood. By coincidence, today marks the 50th anniversary of Josef Stalin's death. The Soviet dictator was the father of the
first "peace movement," which for years served as an instrument of the Kremlin's global policy.

Stalin's "peace movement" was launched in 1946 at a time when he had not yet developed a nuclear arsenal and was thus vulnerable to a U.S. nuclear attack. Stalin also needed time to consolidate his hold on his newly conquered empire in eastern and central Europe while snatching chunks of territory in Iran.

Pablo Picasso, a "fellow traveler" with the French Communist Party, designed the famous dove of peace as the emblem of the movement.
French poet Paul Eluard, another fellow traveler,
composed an ode inspired by Stalin. The "peaceniks"
were told to wear white shirts, release white doves
during their demonstrations and shake their clenched
fists against "imperialists and revanchistes."


Soon it became clear that the "peace movement" was
not opposed to all wars, but only to those that
threatened the U.S.S.R., its allies and its satellites.
For example, the peaceniks did not object to Stalin's
decision to keep the entire Chechen nation in exile in
Siberia. The peaceniks did not march to ask Stalin to
withdraw his forces from Iranian Azerbaijan and
Kurdistan. When Stalin annexed 15 percent of Finland's
territory, none of the peaceniks protested. Neither did
they march when the Soviets annexed the Baltic states.
Nor did they grumble when Soviet tanks rolled into
Warsaw and Budapest, and a decade later also in Prague.
But when America led a coalition under a U.N. mandate
to prevent North Korean Communists from conquering the
south, peaceniks were on the march everywhere. The
movement targeted Western democracies and sought to
weaken their resolve against the Soviet threat. Over
the years nobody marched against any of the client
regimes of the Soviet Union that engaged in numerous
wars, including against their own people.

The wars that China's Communist regime waged against the peoples of Manchuria, Tibet, East Turkestan and Inner Mongolia, lands that were eventually annexed and subjected to "ethnic cleansing," provoked no protest marches. Even
when China attacked India and grabbed Indian territories
the size of England, the peace movement did not budge.


In the 1960s the movement transformed itself into the
campaign for unilateral nuclear disarmament. Here,
unilateral meant that only the Western powers had to give
up their arsenal, thus giving the Soviets a monopoly on
nuclear weapons. The peaceniks spent much of the '60s
opposing U.S. intervention in Vietnam. The 1980s gave them
a new lease on life, as they focused on opposing American
Pershing missiles in Western Europe. The Pershings
represented a response to Soviet SS-20 missiles that had
already been stationed in central Europe and aimed at
Western European capitals. But the peaceniks never asked
for both the Pershings and the SS-20s to be withdrawn,
only the American missiles. President Ronald Reagan's
proposal that both the SS-20s and the Pershings be
withdrawn was attacked and ridiculed by the peaceniks as
"an American Imperialist trick." Francois Mitterrand, then
France's Socialist president, put it this way: "The missiles are in the East but the peaceniks are in the West!"

No peacenik, not even Joschka Fischer, now Germany's foreign minister, marched in support of tearing down the Berlin Wall and allowing the German nation to regain its unity. All that is now history. The "evil empire" of communism has gone for good, but the deep anti-West sentiments that it promoted over the decades remains. It is this anti-West, more specifically anti-American, sentiment that provides the glue of the new peace movement. Last month, the British daily The Guardian asked a number of peaceniks to explain why they opposed the use of force to liberate Iraq? The main reason they felt they had to support Saddam Hussein was that he was disliked by the
United States. When the Tanzanian army invaded Uganda and
removed Idi Amin from power, no one marched because the United States was not involved. When the Vietnamese army invaded Cambodia and changed the Khmer Rouge regime there, no one marched. Again, the United States was not involved. When French troops invaded the Central African Republic and changed its regime, again no one marched. The reason? You guessed it: America was not involved. And what about a march in support of the Chechens? Oh, no, that won't do: The United States is not involved.

The peace movement would merit the label only if it
opposed all wars, including those waged by tyrants against
their own people, not just those in which America is involved. Did it march when Saddam Hussein invaded Iran? Not at all. Did it march when Saddam invaded Kuwait? Again: nix! (Later, they marched, with the slogan "No Blood for Oil," when the U.S.-led coalition came to liberate Kuwait.) Did it march when Saddam was gassing the Kurds to death? Oh, no.

Stalin died 50 years ago to the day. But if he were around
today he would have a chuckle: His peace movement remains as alive in the Western democracies as it was half a century ago.

Iranian author and journalist Amir Taheri is based in Europe.
E-mail: amirtaheri@benadorassociates.com

[Hon]

That's an excellent editorial. And the truth of it is born out in Kerry himself. He isn't against all wars. He isn't even against the US attacking unilaterally.

He was for the invasion of Haiti, when Clinton wanted to install Aristide.

Of course the US had no real interests involved. But Aristide (who Kerry calls "father" even though he is de-frocked) is a COMMUNIST.

It was just a coincidence, of course.

[Criminal Number 18F]

In the eyes of many, the Vietnam veteran is stereotyped as a drug abuser, a violent person, and a loser.

Gee, and Scott Camil and his gang of phonies from VVAW wouldn't have anything to do with that....

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Deb]

Clinton said WHAT!!!!??? You mean...Bill Clinton? Flabby, red-nosed, hill-billy guy? Stop it.

Although, if anyone would know a traitor and a cook, it would be that goober.

[Deb]

Clinton said WHAT!!!!??? You mean...Bill Clinton? Flabby, red-nosed, hillbilly guy? Stop it.

Although, if anyone would know a traitor and a crook when he saw one, it would be that goober.