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To: Havoc
Mary can't get salvation for anyone

No, she can't. She doesn't. All that happens is that we ask her to pray to God for us, to add to our prayers.

Salvation is obtained when men believe and confess Christ.

True and most of us need some help to do that.

She can't do it. She can't hear you to begin with.

Huh?

She's not God

True, and Catholics believe that too, she's a creation not divinity.
749 posted on 03/22/2004 2:02:06 AM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Cronos
No, she can't. She doesn't. All that happens is that we ask her to pray to God for us, to add to our prayers.

That isn't what is illustrated in that prayer #1, Your salvation doesn't come by prayer #2, And communication with the bodily dead is forbidden #3. On Point 2, we have a multitude of quotations from scripture to bear it up. Paul said most clearly that if we believe and confess we are saved. That isn't prayer. And Mary cannot believe and confess for anyone but Mary.

True and most of us need some help to do that.

Sorry, but the Pope is seeking his own salvation through Mary. Isn't he supposed to be saved already. See, you can say all these cute things; it's still a lie. Mary can't believe and confess for you. Especially not long after you were supposed to have already done so. Mary can't save you nor can she obtain salvation for you. It's blasphemy.

Huh?

I think you heard me.

True, and Catholics believe that too, she's a creation not divinity.

Lipservice. You talk out both sides of your mouth by saying she is not diety, then turn right around in ignorance I assume and ascribe to her things only diety can do. If you walk me to a garage saying "it has air conditioning, it can do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, it has radio, spare tire in the trunk, all new trim and an oversized tank" I'm expecting to see a car.. But we open the door and it's still a bicycle. Mary isn't diety and therefor cannot do things that only the diety can do (lest we forget there is ONE God). Here oh WORLD, the Lord our God is ONE. Here oh Israel, the Lord our God is one. Mary can't hear prayer and can't answer prayer. She's not diety and cannot hear billions of people shouting at once for assistance nor recognize the mess or who's shouting, etc.. that is something only diety could do. And it doesn't deal with the fact that communication with the bodily dead is forbidden.. it carried the death sentence under the law. There is nothing about this that is not utterly against scripture. Every part of it one looks at is blasphemy. Or do you not know that contradicting scripture, God's word, is blasphemy. It calls God a liar.

824 posted on 03/22/2004 8:32:29 AM PST by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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