[Havoc]

No, she can't. She doesn't. All that happens is that we ask her to pray to God for us, to add to our prayers.

That isn't what is illustrated in that prayer #1, Your salvation doesn't come by prayer #2, And communication with the bodily dead is forbidden #3. On Point 2, we have a multitude of quotations from scripture to bear it up. Paul said most clearly that if we believe and confess we are saved. That isn't prayer. And Mary cannot believe and confess for anyone but Mary.

True and most of us need some help to do that.

Sorry, but the Pope is seeking his own salvation through Mary. Isn't he supposed to be saved already. See, you can say all these cute things; it's still a lie. Mary can't believe and confess for you. Especially not long after you were supposed to have already done so. Mary can't save you nor can she obtain salvation for you. It's blasphemy.

Huh?

I think you heard me.

True, and Catholics believe that too, she's a creation not divinity.

Lipservice. You talk out both sides of your mouth by saying she is not diety, then turn right around in ignorance I assume and ascribe to her things only diety can do. If you walk me to a garage saying "it has air conditioning, it can do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, it has radio, spare tire in the trunk, all new trim and an oversized tank" I'm expecting to see a car.. But we open the door and it's still a bicycle. Mary isn't diety and therefor cannot do things that only the diety can do (lest we forget there is ONE God). Here oh WORLD, the Lord our God is ONE. Here oh Israel, the Lord our God is one. Mary can't hear prayer and can't answer prayer. She's not diety and cannot hear billions of people shouting at once for assistance nor recognize the mess or who's shouting, etc.. that is something only diety could do. And it doesn't deal with the fact that communication with the bodily dead is forbidden.. it carried the death sentence under the law. There is nothing about this that is not utterly against scripture. Every part of it one looks at is blasphemy. Or do you not know that contradicting scripture, God's word, is blasphemy. It calls God a liar.

[Cronos]

That isn't what is illustrated in that prayer #1

you mean "hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed arth thou amongst women?" It's the first part of the Hail MAry, the second part goes: "holy Mary, mother of God, pray FOR us sinners, now and at the hour of our death, amen."

hmmm.. Still no sign of a worshipping of Mary.

[Cronos]

communication with the bodily dead is forbidden #3

Summoning the bodily dead is forbidden, necromancy, seances etc. It's NOT the same thing and you're being disingenuous if you do say it is.

[Cronos]

Sorry, but the Pope is seeking his own salvation through Mary. Isn't he supposed to be saved already.

No, your interpretation is incorrect.

[Cronos]

Mary can't believe and confess for you.

How many times do I have to repeat, she Prays for you, she doesn't believe or confess for you.

[Fury]

Havoc writes:

Sorry, but the Pope is seeking his own salvation through Mary.

Please provide the citation of this.

[Cronos]

Mary can't save you nor can she obtain salvation for you. It's blasphemy

She doesn't save us, God saves us. Mary helps us and prays for us

[Cronos]

ascribe to her things only diety can do.

Nothing divine has been ascribed to her.

[Cronos]

Mary can't hear prayer and can't answer prayer.

And on what basis do you say that :
a. hearing mortals is purely can only be done by God and not by those saved by him and in heaven.
b. That if it is so, that God cannot, well, pass on the message to his faithful?

[Cronos]

Here oh WORLD, the Lord our God is ONE. Here oh Israel, the Lord our God is one.

And you're misquoting again, it is Sh'ma Y'israel, adonai elohanu, adonai echad" namely "Hear o Israel, the Lord your God, the Lord is one".

That's the Kaddish. And it's exactly what Christians (and that means Catholics) believe viz. The Lord is ONE.

[Cronos]

There is nothing about this that is not utterly against scripture. Every part of it one looks at is blasphemy. Or do you not know that contradicting scripture

You see the words but you don't understand, you light on one small verse and quote it ad nauseum with no knowledge of the whole.

[Cronos]

Or do you not know that contradicting scripture, God's word, is blasphemy. It calls God a liar.

No Catholic does that, the breakaway cults from the true church may, but the true Church sticks by the word of God.