[Havoc]

This is the word from mark 9:9

1492 // eidw // eido // i'-do // or
// oida // oida // oy'-da //

a root word; TDNT - 5:116, 673; v

AV - know 281, cannot tell + 3756 8, know how 7, wist 6, misc 19,
see 314, behold 17, look 6, perceive 5, vr see 3, vr know 1; 667

1) to see
1a) to perceive with the eyes
1b) to perceive by any of the senses
1c) to perceive, notice, discern, discover
1d) to see
1d1) i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything
1d2) to pay attention, observe
1d3) to see about something
1d31) i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it
1d4) to inspect, examine
1d5) to look at, behold
1e) to experience any state or condition
1f) to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit
2) to know
2a) to know of anything
2b) to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive
2b1) of any fact
2b2) the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning
2b3) to know how, to be skilled in
2c) to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to ( 1Th 5:12 )

Mark 9:9 doesn't refute Matthew, it merely generalizes it. Matthew gives more detail on this point. As I said. This is what it says - end of it. VISION.

[B-Chan]

Again, thanks for making my point for me: vision = “to see, to perceive with the eyes, to perceive by any of the senses, to perceive, notice, discern, discover to see (i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything), to pay attention, to observe, to see about something ( i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it ), to inspect, examine, to look at, behold, to experience any state or condition, to see, to have an interview with, to visit”. Nothing about ghostly visitations there!

Squirm, squirm all you like — it's easier than admitting that you were wrong!

However, since you do refuse to humbly admit to your error, it's obvious that no amount of discussion will serve any purpose; you know it all, and no one can tell you differently. Therefore, I will cease toying with you as of this post.

Relax and enjoy your homemade religion, O Pope Havoc. Rest secure in the knowledge that you and only you can rightly discern Christian truth.